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Author Topic:   Who & what are the demons ?
Tangle
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Message 307 of 349 (814496)
07-10-2017 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by Phat
07-10-2017 12:02 PM


Re: Demons do not exist
Phat writes:
Is the whole idea of demons as illogical as the idea of God? Can you hypothetically walk us through your deductive analysis?
Demons, Gods, pixies, elves, leprechauns, angels, dowsing, voodoo, witchcraft, astrology, mind-reading, fortune-telling, superstitions of all sorts - none of these are logical; they're just beliefs.
If you want to know the truth of any of them you can't find it in logic; it's not knowable by thought processes alone. For 3,000 years or more the smartest people that have ever lived have murdered these ideas and got absolutely nowhere.
Look for EVIDENCE.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 313 of 349 (814517)
07-10-2017 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 312 by Faith
07-10-2017 2:22 PM


Re: If demons exist you'll never be able to know it
Faith writes:
Yes indeed, as I said already, I agree that demon possession is anachronistic in our modern world, which simply hides its reality and allows it to proliferate.
Or, it is what is appears to be, an anachronism. Just like yourself.
Epilepsy was caused by demons before we could prove not only that it had real world causes but also that we could provide real world control. Like every other area of your archaic belief system science is gradually whittling it down to a small number of deluded fundamentalists.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 323 of 349 (885092)
03-22-2021 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by Phat
03-22-2021 12:19 PM


Re: Fantasy & Reality Revisited
We know what you believe Phat, you've told us a thousand times. Once would have done. We got it then and we get it now.
But what you believe is irrelevant to any rational discussion. For example...
You say demons exist.
We say fine, if demons exist, show me one.
You say that before we can see one, we have to believe in them.
We shrug.
A totally pointless situation. Non-overlapping magisteriums.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 326 of 349 (885096)
03-22-2021 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 325 by Phat
03-22-2021 1:14 PM


Re: Fantasy & Reality Revisited
Phat writes:
I dont need to show you one.
You do if you want me to believe you. Otherwise you're wasting your time.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 331 of 349 (885105)
03-23-2021 3:55 AM
Reply to: Message 330 by Phat
03-23-2021 2:10 AM


Re: Fantasy & Reality Revisited
Phat writes:
Stop and think.
That's rich...
In order to "show you" a demon, I would have to either conjure one up (which I wont do as it would hurt my own spirit to even attempt doing so) make one up which would be dishonest and lying, or wait around an altar with a hidden camera which likely would look no different than the videos.
Almost as though they don't exist eh?
And I think (though obviously cannot prove) that demons don't really want to advertise.
So all those videos of fake pastors casting out fake demons where, what, fake?
Now...what I would want to try and do would be to pray that you somehow someday saw evidence of the Holy Spirit. All that I would need from you would be verbal affirmation and permission to see and comprehend such an event. I would of course expect you to question it as this is your nature, and I would likely expect you to doubt it and offer some alternative explanations.
Been there, done that, believed it then EXACTLY like you, now know it to be total and utter bollox. You've been conned Phat.
You keep forgetting - or actually never actually hear it - that several of us here started life as believers so we know the nonsense.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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