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Author Topic:   Money Isn't a False God
ringo
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Message 9 of 150 (614286)
05-03-2011 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by purpledawn
05-03-2011 7:34 AM


Re: Money Isn't a Deity
purpledawn writes:

Money is necessary for survival in most places.


I think that's why some people equate gods with money. Both can magically get us what we want. False gods can get us what we think we want but "the real God" can get us what we really, really want.


If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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ringo
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Message 128 of 150 (885107)
03-23-2021 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Phat
01-24-2021 3:42 PM


Re: Money Isn't a Deity
Phat writes:

I know that I wont change my vote from Jesus.


So you're infallible.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 132 of 150 (885123)
03-24-2021 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Phat
03-23-2021 1:29 PM


Re: Money Isn't a Deity
Phat writes:

He is infallible. He draws me. Loki never did. Nor did the Spaghetti Monster


How can you know that unless you're infallible?

Phat writes:

You can use the argument that I simply believe what my culture believes...


I'm using the argument that since you refuse to consider the possibility that you might be wrong, you must think you're infallible.

It has nothing to do with whether or not your God is infallible. YOU would have to be infallible to interpret His "communion" with no chance of error.


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 148 of 150 (885149)
03-25-2021 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Phat
03-24-2021 1:17 PM


Re: Money Isn't a Deity
Phat writes:

What you are trying to argue is that a free will decision to believe is based on probability rather than communion.


No, that's not what I'm trying to argue. I haven't said a word about probability.

I'm pointing out that if you absolutely refuse to consider the possibility that you are wrong, then you are claiming to be infallible - because that is the definition of infallible, the inability to be wrong.

"Communion" doesn't enter into it. Jesus' ability to speak to you infallibly is not related to your ability to understand infallibly.

Phat writes:

Feel free to stand on that argument till the cows come home but there is a 100% chance that im not buying it.


I couldn't care less what you buy. I'm just pointing out the sheer stupidity of your theology in the hope that some lurker won't be fooled by you.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 149 of 150 (885150)
03-25-2021 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Phat
03-24-2021 3:48 PM


Re: Money Isn't a Deity
Phat writes:

You and ringo are attempting to trivialize belief with the assumption that no actual God exists.


Nope. I have never "assumed" that no actual God exists. I'm just pointing out that the God that YOU have made up makes no sense. It is inconsistent with your own source, the Bible. And if it did exist, it would be unworthy of communion with humans.

Phat writes:

You are suggesting that some humans, armed with a methodology and critical thought discipline, can define the validity of the freewilled beliefs of others.

Well, of course they can. YOU define the validity of other people's beliefs based on nothing but your prejudice. Why can't people define the validity of YOUR belief based on reality?

Phat writes:

I have a free will and I have a brain the equal of any of yours.


But you're using it wrong.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 150 of 150 (885151)
03-25-2021 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Phat
03-24-2021 4:27 PM


Re: Money Isn't a Deity
Phat writes:

But ringo throws down a gauntlet and challenges MY infallibility (being 100% certain of my belief) which I see as his insistence that I allow for doubt.


Well, that's what the word means.

Phat writes:

I believe that if a man does not STAND for something he will FALL for anything.


You're the one who falls for the nonsense that the apologists spew. You should probably leave that statement stuck on your bumper where it belongs.

Phat writes:

Thus I may well claim infallibility and exclusivity in Jesus Christ.


So you DO claim to be infallible. Why did you deny it for so long?

Phat writes:

Granted I can question but I shall not doubt.


It's the same thing.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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