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Author Topic:   Who & what are the demons ?
anglagard
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Message 334 of 349 (885161)
03-25-2021 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 333 by Phat
03-25-2021 1:47 PM


Re: Which Scenario Would You Prefer?
Phat writes:
The only "evidence" we have about demons is found in scripture.
As a self-proclaimed scriptural teacher, I was wondering if you ever got around to reading the Gospel According to Matthew? To me that is the best out of 66 (Protestant version) and you are missing out on the best part. After all, it's your asserted religion, why not read and attempt to understand the very core text to this belief system?
I am increasing concerned that even were you to actually read the Bible, you would not understand it, as evidenced by the statement "against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." being interpreted as "demons" rather than "rulers and authorities."
People who have read the Bible know whether or not someone has read and understood the message. Your posts indicate you have not read, or if did, understand the plain meaning of the text. Ringo did that, jar did that, I did that, why can't you?
It does not take Rocket Science to interpret the scripture.
No, it requires humility before God, let me know when you accomplish that.

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 836 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 341 of 349 (885222)
03-28-2021 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by Phat
03-27-2021 11:29 PM


Re: What I Have Observed
Have you considered any possibility the sounds you heard did not come from "demons" ?
There was a Canadian show on Amazon we watched around last summer about ghost stories, which I find close to demon stories. It was called Paranormal House Inspectors. Each show had the same plot.
First they brought in the usual ghosthunters with whatever stupid gizmos they used to certify there were "unusual readings." Then they brought in a researcher who looked up the property history to see if there were any murders, Indian burial grounds, or other anomalies.
Then came the building inspector. Those noises from the attic, they are from that family of raccoons who live there. The reason the room is cold is because you put a piece of solid furniture in front of the register. The door opens by itself because of settling and the house is not completely level. This door has a lock, here it is. The house vibrates because you are 50 feet from the train tracks, it is caused by trains. And so on.
Did it ever occur to you that you don't hear an odd noise and immediately say demons? That you don't see something in the sky and immediately conclude it must be the "gray aliens" in their magical metal spaceship? You don't glimpse a bear in the woods and immediately conclude you saw Bigfoot?
It appears to me that you only jump immediately to demons as some kind of go-to explanation to the exclusion of all others because you can't seem to fathom that there may be another cause.

The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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anglagard
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Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


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Message 345 of 349 (885277)
03-31-2021 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 343 by Phat
03-28-2021 3:36 PM


Re: What I Have Observed
Phat writes:
I would have never said demons unless i was convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.
Your definition of "convinced beyond a reasonable doubt" is nowhere near mine. When you witness these "demons" was anyone else present to verify the events and have a similar interpretation? For that matter, was a pet dog or cat there to perhaps have a different interpretation as indicated by their reaction? If visual, did you film it on your smartphone? If auditory did you put on noise-cancelling headphones to see if the source was external or internal? Why do you prioritize fear over curiosity? Are you an *acting* primate?
Note: If you put on those noise-cancelling headphones and still hear "demons," time to get your head examined. Auditory hallucinations are most likely the result of either hebephrenic schizophrenia or early-onset dementia although there may be other causes. After the mid-20s, schizophrenia is unlikely. When you hear voices, it's time for a full med check since something is obviously wrong.
In fact, I would even say that most alien encounters *have* been demons from other dimensions.
This is what I mean. Instead of going "WTF is that?" or around here "what is White Sands/Kirtland/Sandia/LANL/NMT up to now," you immediately jump to "interdimensional demons" to the exclusion of all other possibilities.
AZ Paul is right, you see demons because you want to, not because they are real. I would add that you even prefer to believe in demons more than Christ because while it appears you adamantly refuse to read the gospels, you are more than willing to listen to idiots babble on about demons.
I will say, however, I I don't trust people who claim that the supernatural is impossible.
The supernatural is by definition, unnatural and therefore not a part of the consensus version of reality. it is also an inherent violation of Occam's Razor.
They have no way of knowing.
How would you know? You are the one who refuses to read, you are the one who won't attend college. You want some MTW braggadocio? I have at least 391 units and have read well over 10,000 books (and should you lie about the contents of any one, you will hear from me if no one else beats me to it). As Good Will Hunting said "how do you like those apples."
Normally, this bragging would be considered an argument from authority, but I vastly prefer an argument from authority to an argument from ignorance. Speaking of ignorance, you know this is a curable condition right? If you want to speak on behalf of Christianity shouldn't you have *actually* read the Bible? What other source would one use? A tertiary source? How would you know personally if they were telling the truth or bearing false witness regarding their purported source?
Phat, for some reason I believe you can be saved even if you don't know what that means. You have some humility, some (but too little) respect for several core religious figures. My advice is to talk less (and unknowingly embarrass yourself) and learn more. Yeah, I'm hard on you, but it is for a reason.
Phat, my research into religion is not about joining the club without question, it is rather that religion is as an important factor in the study of history as much as the military, economic, and other nonreligious cultural aspects such as apparel, diet, etc.
That being said, in my subjective and culturally-biased opinion, the Gospel according to Matthew is sometimes very beautiful in the message, the lead character has no match (outside of Spinoza or the unusually gospel-informed Krishna, guess plagiarizing used to be more acceptable in the past), the plot would be considered brilliant even as a work of fiction and of course it is the core book for those who claim to be adherents of Christianity.
I can not overemphasize how much you are missing out. Perhaps, if nothing else, you would at least learn Jesus did not preach demonology. Perhaps you are more into auditory input, I will leave you with a video:
Edited by anglagard, : A few minor spelling erors.

The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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