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Author Topic:   Who & what are the demons ?
Phat
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Message 339 of 349 (885218)
03-28-2021 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by AZPaul3
03-27-2021 4:58 PM


Re: Which Scenario Would You Prefer?
I believe you sincerely believe this. Which is too bad because it turns another good brain bad.
What do you expect me to do? Deny the reality of my experience pending objective evidence? I could be in for a long wait.
And I dont base my life experience on objective measured reality. I base it on what I hear, see, touch, feel, and also on what others experience upon seeing the same thing. I refuse to be a skeptic just for the sake of science.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003
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Message 342 of 349 (885223)
03-28-2021 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 340 by AZPaul3
03-28-2021 12:57 PM


Re: Which Scenario Would You Prefer?
AZAntiTheist3 writes:
I expect you to give up this childish fantasy and face the reality you are in.
It almost seems like you have some emotion invested in this thing...this God Who does not exist. I can sense that you want people...believers,skeptics and lurkers alike...to agree with you that God is a childish fantasy. Specifically the Christian God. Specifically Jesus Christ. |
An old member here at EvC, a fellow from Ireland named Iano, accused jar of being a fifth columnist. In my mind, jar would be happy if people who claimed to be Christian did nothing more with their lives than feed and clothe people, support political causes helpful to everyone rather than just a privileged few, accepted all of the different beliefs in the world as diversity and that no belief...especially their own..was the correct one.
Anglagard is the same way.
He looks at Christianity as an altruistic teaching where people help people and no God, supernatural war, or judgement is ever needed so long as we all are nice to each other.
He thinks I will never understand the Bible (or God) as long as I believe the way I do.
What you call childish fantasies.
And you insist that I have been conned. Never do you ever consider that I have interpreted what I have experienced correctly. It could never happen! And being a self proclaimed zealous anti theist, you wont rest until the entire belief that I and others have is vanquished from human awareness and practice. Am I about right?
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 343 of 349 (885224)
03-28-2021 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 341 by anglagard
03-28-2021 3:09 PM


Re: What I Have Observed
Did it ever occur to you that you don't hear an odd noise and immediately say demons?
I would have never said demons unless i was convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.
That you don't see something in the sky and immediately conclude it must be the "gray aliens" in their magical metal spaceship? You don't glimpse a bear in the woods and immediately conclude you saw Bigfoot
Yes, I realize this. I could care less about Bigfoot. If visitors from other worlds exist, they are no mopre likely than visitors from other dimensions. In fact, I would even say that most alien encounters *have* been demons from other dimensions. Angels would never sneak around and examine humans. I will admit that I am biased towards the Christian explanations. I certainly dont try and disprove them...though I am more cautious than ever about reporting a firsthand sighting. If You hear anything new from me regarding personal experience, I will be very careful what I say before reporting it. I dont simply hear a booming voice from the sky nor do I see invisible gremlins running around.
It appears to me that you only jump immediately to demons as some kind of go-to explanation to the exclusion of all others because you can't seem to fathom that there may be another cause.
I will again admit to some bias in this area. If reality told me tomorrow that God did NOT exist, I would go into an existential crises. I will say, however, I I don't trust people who claim that the supernatural is impossible. They have no way of knowing.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
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Message 348 of 349 (885543)
04-17-2021 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 345 by anglagard
03-31-2021 9:53 PM


Re: What I Have Observed
anglagard writes:
Phat, your response does not make sense to me.
I note this fact. Sometimes I can come across nearly as arrogant as MTW.
Do you see the difference in our subsequent behaviors?
I am beginning to. You are most definitely a classy and humble well educated individual. I am just an old man who gets bored and has nothing better to do than argue on EvC. Pray for me.
I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Please explain this comment because as I read it, you are the sworn domestic enemy of every Veteran in the USA.
Well when you put it like that!... Thanks for making me accountable for what I say....even if only for a minute.
I'm still gonna do that Matthew/Bernie Sanders thing one of these days. It might be good for me.
anglagard writes:
Phat, for some reason I believe you can be saved even if you don't know what that means. You have some humility, some (but too little) respect for several core religious figures. My advice is to talk less (and unknowingly embarrass yourself) and learn more. Yeah, I'm hard on you, but it is for a reason.
Thanks. I appreciate that.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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