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Message 268 of 895 (885494)
04-14-2021 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
04-14-2021 6:23 PM


Re: Phat, Explain Yourself
AZPaul3 writes:
Christianity is one of the most destructive, blood-letting, murderous, death-cults ever unleashed on the world. We have the history. We have seen its fruits. Christianity is far from merciful. It is known evil.
With fighting words like that, the war is unpreventable.
The truth shall set you free.

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Message 288 of 895 (885558)
04-18-2021 12:35 AM


Harvard Divinity Heathen
Happy Sundae. Welcome to another slap at religion just for the fun of it.
In this week’s service we have a guest sermon by a noted Biblical scholar.
This is a talk by Prof. Hector Avalos. Dr. Hector Avalos was (recently passed) professor of religious studies at Iowa State University and the author or editor of a bunch of books on Biblical studies and religion, including his own critical work, The End of Biblical Studies. He holds a PhD from Harvard Divinity and is a recognized Biblical scholar. He is also a heathen atheist. Quite rare, and with great respect, among his colleagues.
Hector Avalos - Wikipedia
Religion, by its very nature, fosters violence. Prof Avalos posits religion causes the same fight over scarce resources that is the centerpiece to almost all human violence.
No, he does not say all violence is religious. He’s a realist. Not all violence is religious but religion harbors the same propensity toward violence as any other motive, like greed, power +, since religion creates its own scarce resources that humans fight, war, and are willing to kill and be killed over.
Prof Avalos lists four prominent scarcities created by religion:
Scriptural access to god’s will
Sacred space
Group privilege
Salvation
Then he rips them apart. The video is just under an hour long.
Happy Sundae. And may the rest your week be as smooth and easy as whatever allowed you to waste some of your precious time with us today.
Edited by AZPaul3, : subtitle

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Message 300 of 895 (885587)
04-19-2021 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Phat
04-19-2021 4:38 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
How can you be so sure that demons (or unexplained multiple personalities of some as yet unexplained source) do not exist?
You can't be sure there are no pink crows, either. Again with the prove-a-negative crap, Phat. Stop that.
I don't think you have any reasonable alternate explanations.
Why posit demons when we know, with certainty, that humans are apt to do human things? Everything you see as evil has to have a demon attached as an explanation when, in reality, there is nothing to evidence demon, only human.
But that’s not enough of a problem, so you and your brethren extend this bs reasoning to anything you personally feel is bad, disgusting or politically incorrect, like gays, trans, liberals, and vaccines. Demon inspired all. And because you actually believe this crap is real, you feel justified in committing your own evil in response.
You simply assume that anything that cannot be objectively evidenced is non-existant.
Correct. Without something, even an indirect physical something (ie, “that wouldn’t happen unless there was the thing” type evidence), there is no reason to consider or care. And it really doesn’t take a whole lot of indirect evidence to justify a look-see. You guys can’t even manage that. You present nothing but your own internal emotions and fears.
There is your demon, Phat. The normal human mind, including yours.
How do you know? Absence (of objective evidence) does not equal evidence of absence.
Yes, thank you, Carl. Silly people still abuse your quote.
That works for aliens because there is copious amounts of indirect scientific evidence that such could be a real probability. Your demons, not so much. In fact, not ANY much. You give nothing but personal emotion and fears. That is not evidence. That is pleading.
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Message 310 of 895 (885617)
04-20-2021 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by Coragyps
04-20-2021 1:13 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Oh, my. Phat was right. You did have a demon. You even have its name. Well, its initials, anyway.
Reminder. Today is 4/20. Which means there is another demon with three initials lurking in the dark recesses of human souls.

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Message 312 of 895 (885624)
04-20-2021 6:05 PM
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04-20-2021 3:54 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Tetrahydrocannabinol, actually.

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Message 315 of 895 (885733)
04-25-2021 1:56 AM


The Secular 10 Commandments
Brothers and sisters, are you lost? Do you find no cosmic purpose to life? Do you feel helpless within yourself and are you seeking the comfort and guidance of a greater power?
Welcome to our Sundae Service.
If comfort and guidance are what you seek then you will find them in family, both the family you are given and the extended family you gather around you. The only purpose in this universe is the purpose you give it. If you have love to give then give it to family. They need it more than the ghost.
Today’s short homily has absolutely nothing to do with cosmic purpose. I was just rambling.
Please attend this missive from my favorite Horseman of the Apocalypse, Intellect, Christopher Hitchens.

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Message 327 of 895 (885754)
04-25-2021 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 319 by robertleva
04-25-2021 8:25 AM


Reasons
First, robertleva, welcome to EVC. Always happy to see new members come out and play with us.
I find the need for a special post, intended to humiliate or harass people with a different belief set to be appalling. I am shocked and disappointed that this thread was allowed to produce so many pages of animosity.
You are allowed to be offended. You are allowed to voice that shock and disappointment.
So am I.
Religion has been nothing but shock and disappointment to humanity. Religion is a scourge that has burned a trail of blood across humanity for millennia. Christianity has been especially vile and violent as Islam has become today. We know the history of religions and we know the oppression of mind and spirit that is the hallmark of religion.
See my Message 16
Religion may have been a useful evolutionary step in the newly sentient mind of the primitive human, but it quickly become organized, a yoke of control over the minds and bodies of the population. Religion is still used today to foment violence against the heathen who has impure thoughts or crosses himself the wrong way.
Religion is violence. Religion perpetrates evil in the world and is an excuse to perpetrate evil in the world.
Religion is an artifact of the developing primitive mind newly capable of symbolic thought and is now, and has been for millennia, no more than chains of enslavement on the human mind and body.
Religion insists on majikal thinking, belief forced by violence, both physical and mental. It insists on blind belief against the face of reality and brings war against all that resist.
The animosity is real and well deserved. Religion has devastated humanity and, like all such evil, needs to be resisted, vilified, scorned and insulted at every turn.
Like slavery, racism and misogyny, all bulwarks of the evil that is religion, that need to be burned from the soul of society, religion, itself, in all forms, needs to be left in the ash bin of history along with all its evils. The species has long outlived its need for ignorant majikal thinking. Our very survival on this planet depends now on recognizing and dealing with the reality of this world.
The evil illogical fantasies and influence of religion need to end.
If you saw a great evil being done on the street would you not try to intervene? That is what this thread is here for.

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Message 330 of 895 (885764)
04-25-2021 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by Phat
04-25-2021 3:41 PM


Re: Reasons
Phat writes:
AZPaul3 writes:
Religion is a scourge that has burned a trail of blood across humanity for millennia.
Oh stop it. The atheistic Soviet Union was an equal if not worse example of a scourge.
So that's your reason to excuse the entire history of millennia of blood and death by religion, because someone else did something similar for a few years?
Should we forgive modern police murdering black people because the KKK did it first?
Why try to defend the violence that is religion? Are you trying to extend the bloodshed for longer?
Such excuses, tolerant acceptance of religious evil, are the very reasons religion must end just like the soviets.
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Message 331 of 895 (885765)
04-25-2021 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by Phat
04-25-2021 3:41 PM


Re: Reasons
Replace the word religion with Jesus in all of your rants and your argument falls apart.
Well, let's see.
quote:
Jesus may have been a useful evolutionary step in the newly sentient mind of the primitive human, but it quickly become organized, a yoke of control over the minds and bodies of the population. Jesus is still used today to foment violence against the heathen who has impure thoughts or crosses himself the wrong way.
Jesus is violence. Jesus perpetrates evil in the world and is an excuse to perpetrate evil in the world.
No. Still works. Of course it would since jesus is a member in the original set religion. Logic works that way.
Quit fighting God.
But I'm not fighting god. I'm fighting the human stupidity, evil and violence that belief in such non-existent bullcrap inevitably creates.
Phat writes:
AZPaul3 writes:
belief forced by violence, both physical and mental.
No. The violence will come because secularism will be pushed as mandatory. Freedom of religion will never be successfully suppressed.
You don't have to worry about being burned at the stake, Phat. Humanists are nothing like your priests.
You and ringo do not get to define what judgements the thought police will enforce.
How about if he and I agree that the very concept of thought police is a time dishonored practice of religion itself and needs to stop?
atheism will never become the default option.
You can't change that, Phat. Before you fill the slate with bullshit the blank slate (atheism) is the default.
There will be wars if you people insist on it.
Where you been the last 5000 years? You religion monsters have been making war on humans non-stop. The only thing that has changed now is that you guys are starting to lose big time.
First of all, religion is not the main problem. Human behavior is.
Phat, religion is a form of human behavior. Like racism, religion is an ugly form of human behavior. Religion is an especially vile, exclusive, hate-filled and violent form of human behavior that needs to stop.
I will defend belief in Jesus, however, in that I believe strongly that He (in Communion with our mind) will help us better than humans simply in consensus with each other.
It's been 2000 years. If he's going to help he damn well better start now. We don't have all that much time left given our wonderful Christian stewardship of this planet.

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Message 337 of 895 (886004)
05-02-2021 3:22 AM


Shocked and Disappointed
Happy Sundae.
And welcome to our Sundae Service. A Sundae Service to go with our Happy Sundae.
Yes, this is a Happy Sundae Sundae Service. Today’s Happy Sundae Sundae Service Sermon is another visit from a favored fighter.
The return of a Horsemen. The Archbishop of In-Your-Face Facts, Sam Harris.
This short piece (12 min) highlights a few of Dr. Harris’ points on religion which as you might well imagine may shock and disappoint some readers as these are postings of so many more pages of animosity toward religion. This is a montage from different talks thus all are cut to emphasize his points. A most fitting garment for one of the princes of the church.
There are a number of his vids in this series. We hope to bring forward each to add yet more pages of animosity toward religion in this thread.
His Eminence, the archbishop, will talk and will say things in this video about:
Defense of god
Impotent or evil
Wrong culture
Incompatible claims
Rapture and awe
Venue for conversation
Double standard
Why, you may ask.
Why such animosity toward what is just, after all, mere fairytale? How can such distain for the very concept of religious practice, religious belief, belief absent reality, how can such criticism of woo be maintained in our modern, trying to be more tolerant and open, society?
My Message 327
If you saw a great evil being done on the street would you not try to intervene?
“Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana
That's why.
Until next week, or not, depending, regardless, go make someone else happy today. No, not you. Make someone *else* happy. Even with something as simple as a smile and a hug. Ok, make yourself happy too. Go smile and hug someone. Maybe several someones.
Empirically it’s good for your blood pressure. Hey, pretty girl, can you help me with my blood pressure? The science allows it. The science insists on it.
Science rules.
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Message 339 of 895 (886161)
05-09-2021 2:11 AM


Asgargods, Asgods, Dominar Rygel XVI
Happy Sundae. Well, not so happy a sundae.
I have been deficient in my performance. Looking over my production I find to my horror that I have been neglecting the emotional needs of one of our religious brethren. I have not provided Our Brother Phat his favorite Deity to deride in an embarrassing number of weeks for which I am not just embarrassed but also, well, embarrassed.
This week’s Happy Sundae Sundae Service Sermon assuages my sorry oversight only slightly. But, I’m a big boy, I’ll get over it.
Frankly, I don’t like the alien insemination thing. I prefer the original myth of the god-rape of an innocent young girl but with the embellishment of her being lustfully attended by the most erotic of divine fantasies dancing in her mind put there in each of their three sessions together to make up for all the fumbling and bumbling of an infinitely old man who’d never done this before.
On May 9, 1922, The International Astronomical Union formally adopt Annie Jump Cannon's stellar classification system, which, with only minor changes, is still used today. Annie Jump Cannon - Wikipedia
Know your stars. Stellar classification - Wikipedia

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Message 347 of 895 (886331)
05-16-2021 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 342 by Phat
05-15-2021 6:10 PM


Phat Time
Mr. Deity can move aside for a moment as I unpack this one.
You want to use this thread for your own nefarious purposes?
I hear you're a big wig around here. In good with the management and all.
Yeah, ok. You want to lead the Happy Sundae Sundae Service Sermon? She be all yours.
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Message 350 of 895 (886334)
05-16-2021 1:20 AM


Phat Time
Happy Sundae, yet again. I know it seems we just did this like a week ago but time just will not slow down anymore. It’s always go, go, go with time, so time has come again for our Happy Sundae Sundae Service.
This week, an extra special. A new segment we hope to present whenever he wants: Phat Time.
Ok, no points for title originality. Phat can rename it in his own image.
As if Christianity hasn’t already given us enough versions of the nth Commandments Phat has found for us yet another one of even more dubious origins than the original. The original was laser zapped onto three stone tablets only two of which survived the trip down the mountain and now reside in some US Govt warehouse somewhere while Phat’s new one apparently came from a pamphlet that fell off his fridge.
See Phat’s Message 342 for his part 1. And apparently in crossing messages, here is his part 2 Message 349
Anyway, it’s
Phat Time
so the show is all his.
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Message 362 of 895 (886448)
05-20-2021 5:15 AM
Reply to: Message 359 by Phat
05-17-2021 4:10 AM


Re: Some Idiot & Some Deity.
Between Kruger and Dalton there is the issue of efficacy.
Dalton is speaking of reality, the sacred TRVTH as revealed by the Universe herself, while Kruger is regurgitating a personal catechism and pulling emotional fantasy turds from his existential butt.
Anyone, like Dalton, who calls a bunch of liars a bunch of liars deserves the respect of the truthful. Your Kruger character, not so much.
Reality is a big determinant of TRVTH. Actually, it's the only determinant.
Mr. Deity is way more credible than any christianity, progressive or otherwise.

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Message 363 of 895 (886523)
05-23-2021 4:00 AM


Elvis has left the building.
Happy Sundae again EvC.
Well, I guess if you’re in Gaza it’s not such a happy sundae.
Wish we could do something for you poor brown people but we’re mostly Americans and Europeans here and we have enough moral issues with the treatment of our own poor brown folks to be caring all that much what the Chosen People's religion-based racist society is doing to theirs.
Sometimes you just gotta hate humanity’s hate for humanity.
But, anyway, this *is* Sundae and we *will* be Happy.
So, welcome to the Happy Sundae Sundae Service where I get to highlight some of my favorite bash artists against religion.
Think of bash artists acting for anti-theists like apologists act for religionists except the bash artist wields reality as her/his/its weapon.
After a few weeks of pleasant diversions we have returned home to my original schedule which is lost in one of these .docx files somewhere but I’m pretty sure it involved getting to bash some more on that most dangerous and most evil of human intellectual conceptions – religion. (Cue hiss/boo, thunder/lightning, fingernails dragging on chalkboards, bloody screaming)
This is Sam Harris, again. I’ll use him often these next few weeks, maybe.
So many rate him harsh, as intolerant. Intolerant of what? Facts? Within an intellectual quibble or two I am hard pressed to find any fault in any facts he presents here or there. I have a few more Harris vids to go so we’ll see. OK, you know I’ve already seen them, as have many of you, and his facts are not an issue.
Where Dr. H really gets into trouble is when he logically extends those facts (a specific āyāt in the Qur'an for example) to the real world and what it actually means. Not interpretation of creed but logical extension of the reality involved.
Speaking in "reality" is just so hateful and intolerant. Reality won’t even let you hide your religious hatreds anymore. That’s how intolerant reality has become.
In this dose of intolerant reality:
What if Islam is TRVTH©?
Lack of Biblical efficacy.
Eucharist for Elvis.
Religion shatters moral communities.
If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses.
- Lenny Bruce
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