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robertleva Member (Idle past 1091 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined: |
quote: This is false gospel or just a fundamental lack of knowledge of what Christianity is. Either way, no. Christianity is salvation through grace of faith. Jesus said "No one gets to the Father except through me." This is the only path. We must accept Christ as our savior. There is nothing else, no other requirements, just faith in Christ and we are saved.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yawn.
Try actually reading the Bible and not just cherry picking pieces parts out of context. In Matthew 25 ALL of the Goats were those who followed Jesus while all of he Sheep were those who did not even know Jesus. Sorry child. I Cor 13:11. It's time for you to stop thinking as a child and speaking as a child and to become an adult.My Website: My Website
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Sorry child. I Cor 13:11. It's time for you to stop thinking as a child and speaking as a child and to become an adult. A couple decades ago, a rabbi co-wrote a book, Stupid Ways, Smart Ways, To Think About God. Basically, many adults have very childish ideas about "God". Why? Because they had developed those ideas in childhood and have never revisited those ideas to make them more mature. That is one of the reasons why I urge believers to think about and question their beliefs. So they can replace their childish ideas with a more mature approach to their faith.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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One must learn to differentiate between the glory of almighty God, ...
That's mostly something that happens in your imagination.
, ... and the evil that has been done in His name.
And that is all to evident in the world.
Jesus said "No one gets to the Father except through me."
Jesus often spoke in metaphors. Christianity is all about taking those metaphors as if they were intended literally, and taking the ideas intended as literal as if they were metaphors.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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robertleva Member (Idle past 1091 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined: |
It's not complicated. Faith in Christ is all we need. Simple for some, or maybe very difficult depending on who you are. Ultimately you must sacrifice that human pride and accept that only through Christ can we be saved. For me this was easy, once I really understood the stakes.
I will not lie and say that my faith has always been here and always been so strong. Like many on this forum I was once mired in the same Naturalism / evolution doctrine that had been preached to me since I was a child. I learned it all and pushed to the edges of known science in physics. Thankfully, God saw me through all that garbage I was living in and pulled me out of the trash pile. This is one of the many things I thank the Lord for.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Faith in Christ is all we need.
But what does that mean? Jesus said that we should love our neighbor. For me, faith meant that we should follow those teachings even when we were doubtful of their value. But, for most Christians, faith means believing is a ridiculous made up story.
Like many on this forum I was once mired in the same Naturalism / evolution doctrine that had been preached to me since I was a child.
Oh, good. Perhaps you can tell me what is this naturalism doctrine. I am frequently accused of naturalism, but I have never been able to work out what it even means. An actual presentation of the doctrine would be helpful.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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robertleva Member (Idle past 1091 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined: |
quote: I'm very thankful for the chance to reply to this. Just accept Christ. You need not take any other step, though many do choose to go farther. All I ask is that you simply accept Christ as your only means of salvation and eternal life. The rest of it can surely ADD to that faith, and yes I would highly recommend more, but the only absolute requirement is simply an acceptance of Christ in your life. My faith teaches that if you do this, you will be redeemed upon death and saved. Seems like a pretty good deal huh? It is, but it wasn't always. We live now under the terms of the "New Covenant". All we need to do now is accept Christ. The "old Covenant" was a much more complicated thing, and its only purpose was to ultimately bring about the New Covenant. The harsh nature of the Old Covenant is where folks abuse the scriptures to serve their own purposes regarding gay folks and other perceived injustices of the old testament times. All you need to understand is that Jesus came and destroyed all of that, and all we need to do now is have faith in Christ because we live under new terms. Under these new terms everyone and anyone is called! Gay / straight / anything / Muslim / Jew/ Hindi EVERYONE IS WELCOME! Just accept Christ and join the redeemed in eternal life my brother! Edited by robertleva, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18343 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Is there any support for your claim or is that just how you personally interpret it? In Matthew 25 ALL of the Goats were those who followed Jesus while all of the Sheep were those who did not even know Jesus."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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robertleva Member (Idle past 1091 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined: |
quote:I won't engage in any sort of debate on this but Naturalism is the belief, taught in elementary school science texts, that all things in the universe have a "natural" explanation. Even when we encounter something that seems supernatural we are to automatically assume it is simply a natural explanation we currently do not know. It is faith you see, faith in man, or mankind's inevitability. Take your pick. That faith though has a much, older heritage you see. It's the original lie: Live for yourself, you are not accountable God. It's the enemy's lie; Dressed up in palatable scientific terms, with about 7 billion rabid zealots ready to go to war for it.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Naturalism is the belief, taught in elementary school science texts, that all things in the universe have a "natural" explanation.
I don't think I was ever taught that. Yes, we should look for a natural explanation. But there's no guarantee that we will always find one.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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robert writes: I won't engage in any sort of debate on this Then I suggest you get back to your pulpit, this is a debate site, we don't listen to sermons. If you can't support your claims in open discussion, this isn't the place for you. btw, I'm half way through your Dawkins/Lennox "debate" - which again, isn't a debate - and so far can see no reason at all for your claim that Dawkins was "destroyed". In fact all I see is the same old stuff being rolled out that we've all heard a thousand times here. Absolutely nothing new there at all.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 18343 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo in 2013 writes: And for good reason. Do you treat a Pit Bull whom you encounter the same way you would a puppy or a small friendly dog? Do you treat a known thief the same way you treat a friend? Unbelievers tend to treat all beliefs equally. Believers often don't.I'm not saying that Jesus never commanded us to do anything other than try. I'm just pointing out the silliness and illogic of relativism. Years ago when I got saved, it was not due to wanting to be accepted into a popular group. And it was not Chutulu or the Spaghetti Monster that I sensed speaking to me inwardly. It was not Allah. Nor the Apologist. Nor a Saskatchewan Contrarian. I suppose you could argue that it was simply myself...Freuds Super Ego, perhaps. Perhaps my epiphany was finding myself rather than Jesus. But to this day I pray to Him. Sometimes I resist it. I believe that He knows my inner thoughts anyway, so perhaps in my times of resistence/rebellion, He is still providing a teachable moment. There are many imitators and One Original as far as I believe."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: Seems to me that the important decision elements in marriage are how you two plan to negotiate the future path of life together and that involves finances, homes, personalities and dozens of other factors that reach far beyond the foundational fact that you have emotional feelings for each other. This is a big part of why the divorcer rate is so high. People do have "emotional feelings for each other" while you like it or not. Even if you can "negotiate the future path of life together and that involves finances, homes, personalities and dozens of other factors..." it doesn't matter.If you spend all your time and energy in a relationship where you do not have emotional feelings for each other... you'll be unhappy. Unhappy people get divorces, eventually... which cost a lot of money, and end up wasting all that "negotiation of future life..." stuff. Usually decades of wasted investment. Marriage is an incredibly long-term decision that needs to take both sides into account.It needs to consider all the evidence-based items you list, but if it ignores the "wishy-washy feelings" - then it will be a failure. AZPaul3In fact-based methods no one is saying you ignore the emotions in the same way your wishy-washy feelings-based method says ignore the facts. This is exactly what I said:
quote: The idea is you need to identify if the wishy-washy feelings are going to be important or not. If you're deciding on a fixed vs. variable rate mortgage - you should be ignoring your wishy-washy feelings and work out the math for your situation.(What I've described as an "evidence-based" decision.) If you're deciding on a spouse - you should take into account your wishy-washy feelings along with all the other facts and give them a much higher priority than normal... or else you'll end up very, very un-happy, regardless of how well you "negotiate the future path together."(What I've described as a "feelings-based" decision.) You seem to argue with me... and then agree with me. This is a sign that you think I'm saying something that I'm actually not... and you're arguing against that made-up-thing-in-your-head.The other sign is me constantly telling you that that I'm not saying what you keep insisting I'm wrong about.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes Phat, there is support for my claim. It is the text itself and what is actually written and I have posted that for you to try to read numerous times.
The text actually says what is actually written and not what the lying apologists say it should say. Read what is actually written Phat.My Website: My Website
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robertleva Member (Idle past 1091 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined: |
quote: This is the very foundation of faith brother. I am glad to hear it.
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