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AZPaul3
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Message 331 of 341 (885765)
04-25-2021 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by Phat
04-25-2021 3:41 PM


Re: Reasons
Replace the word religion with Jesus in all of your rants and your argument falls apart.

Well, let's see.

quote:
Jesus may have been a useful evolutionary step in the newly sentient mind of the primitive human, but it quickly become organized, a yoke of control over the minds and bodies of the population. Jesus is still used today to foment violence against the heathen who has impure thoughts or crosses himself the wrong way.

Jesus is violence. Jesus perpetrates evil in the world and is an excuse to perpetrate evil in the world.


No. Still works. Of course it would since jesus is a member in the original set religion. Logic works that way.

Quit fighting God.

But I'm not fighting god. I'm fighting the human stupidity, evil and violence that belief in such non-existent bullcrap inevitably creates.

Phat writes:

AZPaul3 writes:

belief forced by violence, both physical and mental.

No. The violence will come because secularism will be pushed as mandatory. Freedom of religion will never be successfully suppressed.

You don't have to worry about being burned at the stake, Phat. Humanists are nothing like your priests.

You and ringo do not get to define what judgements the thought police will enforce.

How about if he and I agree that the very concept of thought police is a time dishonored practice of religion itself and needs to stop?

atheism will never become the default option.

You can't change that, Phat. Before you fill the slate with bullshit the blank slate (atheism) is the default.

There will be wars if you people insist on it.

Where you been the last 5000 years? You religion monsters have been making war on humans non-stop. The only thing that has changed now is that you guys are starting to lose big time.

First of all, religion is not the main problem. Human behavior is.

Phat, religion is a form of human behavior. Like racism, religion is an ugly form of human behavior. Religion is an especially vile, exclusive, hate-filled and violent form of human behavior that needs to stop.

I will defend belief in Jesus, however, in that I believe strongly that He (in Communion with our mind) will help us better than humans simply in consensus with each other.

It's been 2000 years. If he's going to help he damn well better start now. We don't have all that much time left given our wonderful Christian stewardship of this planet.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 332 of 341 (885771)
04-26-2021 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 331 by AZPaul3
04-25-2021 5:19 PM


Re: Reasons
AZ writes:

No. Still works. Of course it would since Jesus is a member in the original set religion. Logic works that way.

And of course you see it that way because you only see Jesus as a character in a book. If the original set has always been a cultural meme, you would have a point.
AZ writes:

I'm not fighting god. I'm fighting the human stupidity, evil and violence that belief in such non-existent bull crap inevitably creates.

Oddly, you have a point. I'm still trying to figure out why what I am learning from atheists seems as if its cultural observation shown to me by God. I'll let you guys figure that one out!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 333 of 341 (885774)
04-26-2021 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 329 by Phat
04-25-2021 3:41 PM


Re: Reasons
Phat writes:

You and ringo do not get to define what judgements the thought police will enforce.


Thought Police? It's YOUR side that puts belief before thought. You yourself have ridiculed thought in this very forum. You're afraid to think about the apologists' lies because it might challenge your precious beliefs. You don't need to worry about your thoughts being policed if you have no thoughts.

Phat writes:

I do not agree with your claim that Christianity causes oppression of mind and spirit. If anything, mind is renewed and spirit comes alive.


Then come alive and discuss the apologists' claims.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 334 of 341 (885776)
04-26-2021 11:34 AM
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04-26-2021 9:41 AM


Basics Phat
Phat writes:

And of course you see it that way because you only see Jesus as a character in a book.

Basics Phat.

Remember, if there was an actual living Jesus was almost certainly not named Jesus.

Jesus is a Greek name and a good Jewish boy would not be named Jesus. Maybe Joshua but far more likely Jehoshua.

Jesus is a creation of the different authors and again the evidence is found in the Gospel of John where the author creates a different Jesus than the Jesus found in the Synoptic Gospels.


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Message 335 of 341 (885780)
04-26-2021 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by jar
04-25-2021 9:59 AM


quote:
Don't bother.
I have been a Cradle Creedal Christian since before you were born, just not a member of the Christian Cult of *********.

@jar: I feel the hate of the enemy in you my brother, but I also feel the seed of faith that will not be extinguished as well. I noticed you immediately fell back upon your abandoned Christian roots, with pride in length of service no less! ...before the enemy's lies and hate filled your reply. I love you brother, and I pray that you will one day feel the love and peace of Jesus in your life. I want to see you up there in heaven with me and everyone else one day. God bless you sir.


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jar
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Message 336 of 341 (885795)
04-26-2021 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by robertleva
04-26-2021 2:38 PM


LOL

roberleva writes:

@jar: I feel the hate of the enemy in you my brother, but I also feel the seed of faith that will not be extinguished as well. I noticed you immediately fell back upon your abandoned Christian roots, with pride in length of service no less! ...before the enemy's lies and hate filled your reply. I love you brother, and I pray that you will one day feel the love and peace of Jesus in your life. I want to see you up there in heaven with me and everyone else one day. God bless you sir.

Too funny child but be assured that IF there is a heaven you and almost all other Christians will not be there while heaven will be filled with atheists and satanists and Buddhists and Taoists and agnostics and Hindus and Muslims.

Salvation is the great con sold to all the carny folk and denigration of all that Jesus taught.


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AZPaul3
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Message 337 of 341 (886004)
05-02-2021 3:22 AM


Shocked and Disappointed
Happy Sundae.

And welcome to our Sundae Service. A Sundae Service to go with our Happy Sundae.

Yes, this is a Happy Sundae Sundae Service. Today’s Happy Sundae Sundae Service Sermon is another visit from a favored fighter.

The return of a Horsemen. The Archbishop of In-Your-Face Facts, Sam Harris.

This short piece (12 min) highlights a few of Dr. Harris’ points on religion which as you might well imagine may shock and disappoint some readers as these are postings of so many more pages of animosity toward religion. This is a montage from different talks thus all are cut to emphasize his points. A most fitting garment for one of the princes of the church.

There are a number of his vids in this series. We hope to bring forward each to add yet more pages of animosity toward religion in this thread.

His Eminence, the archbishop, will talk and will say things in this video about:

Defense of god
Impotent or evil
Wrong culture
Incompatible claims
Rapture and awe
Venue for conversation
Double standard

Why, you may ask.

Why such animosity toward what is just, after all, mere fairytale? How can such distain for the very concept of religious practice, religious belief, belief absent reality, how can such criticism of woo be maintained in our modern, trying to be more tolerant and open, society?

My Message 327

If you saw a great evil being done on the street would you not try to intervene?

“Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana

That's why.

Until next week, or not, depending, regardless, go make someone else happy today. No, not you. Make someone *else* happy. Even with something as simple as a smile and a hug. Ok, make yourself happy too. Go smile and hug someone. Maybe several someones.

Empirically it’s good for your blood pressure. Hey, pretty girl, can you help me with my blood pressure? The science allows it. The science insists on it.

Science rules.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Phat
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Message 338 of 341 (886005)
05-02-2021 4:18 AM
Reply to: Message 337 by AZPaul3
05-02-2021 3:22 AM


Re: Shocked and Disappointed(Shock and Awe)
You made me happy for a minute or two as I laughed at your humor.

Im not sure yet whether I'll let you get away with the excuse that religion has caused such great harm, but I get where you are coming from.

I'm glad you can make your opponents laugh before you attempt to slaughter our arguments.
AZ Does It.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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AZPaul3
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Message 339 of 341 (886161)
05-09-2021 2:11 AM


Asgargods, Asgods, Dominar Rygel XVI
Happy Sundae. Well, not so happy a sundae.

I have been deficient in my performance. Looking over my production I find to my horror that I have been neglecting the emotional needs of one of our religious brethren. I have not provided Our Brother Phat his favorite Deity to deride in an embarrassing number of weeks for which I am not just embarrassed but also, well, embarrassed.

This week’s Happy Sundae Sundae Service Sermon assuages my sorry oversight only slightly. But, I’m a big boy, I’ll get over it.

Frankly, I don’t like the alien insemination thing. I prefer the original myth of the god-rape of an innocent young girl but with the embellishment of her being lustfully attended by the most erotic of divine fantasies dancing in her mind put there in each of their three sessions together to make up for all the fumbling and bumbling of an infinitely old man who’d never done this before.

On May 9, 1922, The International Astronomical Union formally adopt Annie Jump Cannon's stellar classification system, which, with only minor changes, is still used today. Annie Jump Cannon - Wikipedia

Know your stars. Stellar classification - Wikipedia


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 340 of 341 (886166)
05-09-2021 9:34 AM
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05-09-2021 2:11 AM


Re: Asgargods, Asgods, Dominar Rygel XVI
On May 9, 1922, The International Astronomical Union formally adopt Annie Jump Cannon's stellar classification system, which, with only minor changes, is still used today. Annie Jump Cannon - Wikipedia

Know your stars. Stellar classification - Wikipedia

Actually a valid segue from the topic of randy gods.

"Oh Be A Fine Girl, Kiss Me." -- O B A F G K M

With some new exotic stellar classes -- R, N, S, W -- in my 1975 astronomy class we were taught to extend that mnemonic device with: "Right Now, Smack, Wow!.


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Message 341 of 341 (886171)
05-09-2021 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by AZPaul3
05-09-2021 2:11 AM


Re: Asgargods, Asgods, Dominar Rygel XVI
Dominar Rygel XVI

Holy Frelling Crap, Farscape!!


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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