This gets back to your belief that many of the goats are Christians.
Not quite Phat; ALL of the Goats are followers of Jesus, proto-Christians.
If the goats were Christians whom He never knew, why would they even have the importation to do anything?
It 'splains it in the story Phat. Read the story. It is directly explained.
I argue, however, that it takes that inner awareness of the reality of His existence to even give me the desire to share this stuff with others, (arguing endlessly with some )
Share what stuff Phat? Preaching is worthless. It is only doing that has any value and the value is based in what is done, not why it was done or who it was done for or any of the other nonsense that the Apologist Shils market.
My point is that if the goats had never met Jesus, at worst they would be catering to favored people and not to the needy folks and would not even have a clue who Jesus was or who God was...they would simply find themselves at this judgement day and watch the sheep get blessed.
But that is NOT what the story says, is it?
Again, like all the Apologists you just make up shit to deny what is actually written and then claim to be Biblical Christians.
You will argue that if "the God" has foreknowledge that humans will end up choosing unwisely and thus ending up damned, then that God is evil and should be opposed.
If "the God" having foreknowledge that humans will end up choosing unwisely still creates the human that thus ends up damned, then that God is pure evil and must be condemned and opposed.
But everything in the refutation you quoted is just classic conman spiel from classic conmen; utterly stupid and should be laughed off the stage if tried.
quote:Does it mean to be able to choose anything--even something contrary to one's nature; or, does it mean being able to choose something consistent with one's nature? God is free to do whatever he desires. God is not free to act in a manner contrary to his nature.
That is simply classic attempts to avoid and get around reality, reason and honesty.
And when you say "that God is pure evil and must be condemned and opposed" I think in terms of Satan. God is good. Satan isn't. But what confuses me about your Theology is you and ringo insisting that the metaphorical snake told the truth. Everyone knows that satan has no truth in him.
No Phat, the Apologists try to market that but it is NOT what is said in the Bible.
The God in Genesis 1 might be said to be all good but is also not omniscient and is aloof and totally distant from and unconnected from all of what is created.
The God in Genesis 2&3 does lie or avoid telling the truth while the Serpent always tells the truth throughout the story. That God is also not omniscient.
The issue is that you do not accept the Bible as actually being authoritative or even saying what is actually written and insist on creating the God and Bible you desire.
Why must certain foreknowledge eliminate our responsibility?
That has been explained to you a brazillion times Phat.
If God is the creator of all that is seen and unseen then God is responsible for all that it created.
If God is the creator of all that is seen and unseen and God has foreknowledge then God is responsible for all that is done by what it created.
If God is the creator of all that is seen and unseen and God has foreknowledge then God is responsible for all that is done by what it created and if anything created is then damned then that God is also evil and unworthy of anything but contempt.
I challenge thatg assumption. Is a parent responsible for their childs behavior beyond the age of accountability? Is that Grandparent responsible for how their child raises their grandchildren? Why then must God be responsible for our behavior and our choices?
Do you even know what "all that is, seen and unseen" includes? All that is. Good, bad, sad, happy. All that is.
Foreknowledge is irrelevant. It is quite simply none of our business what God knows and when.
It is relevant to those Christians that claim God has foreknowledge.
I actually have no idea what my IQ is but I did go to school with some really really smart folk and in our junior or senior year they snuck into the office at night and pulled the IQ files for all the kids in our class.
They have told me that my IQ was "scary" but whether it was scary high or scary low is unknown.