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Message 38 of 99 (885931)
04-29-2021 8:44 AM
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04-29-2021 8:24 AM


Re: I Will Give My Honest Opinion After Watching
Two Prima Donnas producing a reality show debate farce. Both simply misrepresenting reality; there was no true debate and nothing but two folk parading for their crew.

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Message 41 of 99 (885935)
04-29-2021 8:59 AM
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04-29-2021 8:45 AM


Re: Disagree = Hate
Satan was the TESTER not Tempter. Satan only did what God told him to do.

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Message 44 of 99 (885938)
04-29-2021 10:12 AM
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04-29-2021 10:01 AM


Re: Disagree = Hate
Well remember that most of the rebellion nonsense is not Biblical but Operatic in origin.

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Message 49 of 99 (885964)
04-30-2021 9:18 AM
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04-30-2021 8:59 AM


Re: “Christianity is dangerous.”
That is the SOURCE over content issue in a nutshell.

If someone is taught to follow orders unquestioningly, whether it is God's orders or the President's orders or the General's orders or the Sargent's orders or the Priest's orders or whatever the SOURCE it is a destructive policy & practice.

There are of course examples to be found in the Judaic Based Books, particularly where the God character commands his people to do horrific acts and they simply follow their orders but there are also examples in the same Judaic Based Books where the lesson is to question what is said, even if it is God saying it.

The problem arises in all three of the Abrahamic Religions when the members don't actually read ALL of the content in the basic books and are taught only to obey and not to question.

The issue though is NOT purely or limited to religions as pointed out above.


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Message 54 of 99 (885985)
05-01-2021 6:39 AM
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05-01-2021 2:44 AM


Re: I Will Give My Honest Opinion After Watching
Phat writes:

While I dont agree that all apologists are liars or on par with those other creationists you mention, I will allow for the possibility that many of the goats are Biblical Christians and Creationists. (Not ALL, Jar!

Read what is written Phat.

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41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Present a reasoned argument that shows they were NOT Christians?

Edited by jar, : fix quote

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


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Message 64 of 99 (886031)
05-03-2021 8:48 AM
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05-03-2021 8:29 AM


And there are still devout Christians here that have posted now for a considerable period.

It's just the Christian Cult of ********* that runs away.


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Message 70 of 99 (886074)
05-05-2021 7:51 AM
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05-05-2021 7:42 AM


marc9000 writes:

They don't disagree with the science, they disagree with the atheism.

That is simply not true marc. There is nothing in science that is atheistic.

marc9000 writes:

Everyone is religious, atheists have been writing the textbooks for science courses for a long time, because atheism controls science.

And that too is simply not true marc. Reality controls science.


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Message 79 of 99 (886083)
05-05-2021 9:13 AM
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05-05-2021 8:25 AM


Re: Bias is unavoidable?
Phat writes:

You yourself have used science to justify describing the Creator of all seen and unseen as unknowable,which is to me a clear bias against Christianity.

No Phat, stop misrepresenting my position. I am a Christian and so to claim I have a bias against Christianity is just plain stupid.

I use evidence to reach a conclusion including what is actually written in the Bible.

Phat writes:

You and ringo also assert scientifically that Jesus likely never existed and that the Virgin Birth is simply a marketing tool. You can say that your argument is unbiased and is simply logic, reason, and reality in action, but the fact that you market the notion that evidence based logic is the cornerstone of your religion and belief while literally showing bias towards organized Christianity and intolerance towards its believers

Again Phat, stop misrepresenting my position.

What I have said repeatedly is that there is no evidence that Jesus ever really existed. Evidence is not the cornerstone of my religion; belief is. What I point out is that it is dishonest to claim something a fact when it is only supported by belief and not evidence beyond the fact that I hold beliefs.

I'm not intolerant of others that hold different beliefs as long as they do not attempt to impose their beliefs on others. When you or others try to claim that the god you create and worship is more valid or real or correct than Ganesha or Buddha or Allah or Ra then of course I take exception.

Remember Phat, the CCoI are not demons and are certainly Christians, just very willfully ******** Christian.


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Message 86 of 99 (886092)
05-05-2021 11:55 AM
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05-05-2021 8:51 AM


Re: The God Authoritarian Delusion Debate
Phat writes:

No humans worth their salt would ever lay everything at the feet of Government.

You keep using the word Government.

I don't think you know what the word means!

Since we are in the USofA, what do you think the word Government means in relation to the people living in the USofA?


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Message 88 of 99 (886111)
05-06-2021 12:29 PM
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05-06-2021 11:36 AM


Re: The God Authoritarian Delusion Debate
Phat writes:

Of, By, and For the people?

Okay, you can copy & paste.

What does that mean?


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Message 94 of 99 (886125)
05-06-2021 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by marc9000
05-06-2021 6:48 PM


Behe was simply shown to be the carny snake-oil salesman and freak show barker. He was never a demon, just a clown.

AbE;

Also it is essential to point out that much of Christianity also totally rejects creationism and Intelligent Design so all the evidence shows that Science and Old Earth and Evolution are not atheistic but simply reality.

Edited by jar, : see AbE


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Message 98 of 99 (886152)
05-08-2021 8:20 AM


A pointless debate on a totally irrelevant topic by two aging playground bullies who were legends in their own minds played out solely for the entertainment of those who had already decided the outcome.

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