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jar
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Message 16 of 342 (886156)
05-08-2021 6:23 PM
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05-08-2021 6:18 PM


Tanypteryx writes:

Their goals for America scare the living shit out of me. Those assholes are passing laws making it legal to run down protesters with a motorized vehicle, for fuck's sake!

Not all protesters, just the illegal protesters; you know, anti-fascists and liberals and the educated and people of color and furnners and immigrants and asians, transexuals and gays and democrats and terrorists.


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Message 17 of 342 (886157)
05-08-2021 6:29 PM
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05-08-2021 6:18 PM


I am baffled what motivates marc9K to post here considering that he must know that everything he says will be fact checked, skeptically scrutinized, and soundly criticized if it's false or misleading.

I don't think marc9000 is even aware that he is spewing falsehoods.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Tanypteryx
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Message 18 of 342 (886158)
05-08-2021 6:35 PM
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05-08-2021 6:23 PM


And native Americans. And everyone else on your list are Americans also.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 19 of 342 (886159)
05-08-2021 6:37 PM
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05-08-2021 6:29 PM


I don't think marc9000 is even aware that he is spewing falsehoods.

Then he must have the attention span of a gnat because they have been pointed out to him numerous times.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 20 of 342 (886167)
05-09-2021 9:49 AM


The Myth of Rationally Held Beliefs
A few recent posts cause me to note a couple patterns.

Because most beliefs are not arrived at by a rational process, destroying the arguments offered in defense of a belief will not cause someone to drop the belief. They'll instead seek new arguments.

When people have strongly held beliefs about things they know little about then presenting and explaining correct information will not persuade them because the same lack of knowledge that allows them to old those beliefs also governs their interpretation of the new information.

--Percy


  
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Message 21 of 342 (886170)
05-09-2021 12:24 PM
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05-06-2021 7:11 PM


Re: free speech
MARC9000 writes:

Big Tech has surpassed the label of "private platform". They've become a public trust. An electric company or water works can't refuse service to someone on a street because they don't like the political signs in their yard. Trump was demonized for what he said on January 6th, largely because most of the mainstream media cut out his words "peacefully and patriotically". When Maxine Waters was inciting riots and hatred against white people, Fox news showed every word she said. Peacefully and patriotically" weren't among her words. "Breaking rules"? Yes, if the double standards are big enough.

The ones who have no right to do something, are Big Tech.

This post is long on so-called observation and short of any solutions. So you want to nationalize big tech? I am a Democratic Socialist and even I have more respect for private ownership than apparently you yourself.

Now I am no friend to big tech but I feel I have a more elegant and effective solution. Every time a company obviously lies or knowingly spreads false information (along with pollution, labor violations, etc.) fine the company 1% of its total stock value. Not like normal fines are levied until now, any fine must be paid in stock by the largest shareholder. I figure various enterprises such as Facebook, Fox News, OAN, Brietbart, won't last a week before the majority of shares are owned by the federal government. Once that occurs, distribute the shares evenly among the employees as no government should own a media company. If the employee-owned company keeps lying, fine as usual until 50%+ and distribute the shares among the poor.

Yeah, I mentioned your precious Fox News as a source of lies, but as apparently your sole source of information, it is responsible for your continuous bearing of false witness in this thread.


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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Message 22 of 342 (886174)
05-09-2021 3:34 PM
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05-06-2021 7:21 PM


Re: free speech
Hilarious! The same bunch of Republican assholes who voted against net neutrality are now whining like a bunch of stupid babies because it's biting them on the ass.

Irony and karma are a bitch!

Almost as hilarious as Democrats shrieking "Trump - Russia collusion!!!!", even though it was shown to be a lie / conspiracy theory after the multi- million dollar Mueller investigation, and now they're calling the Trump claims of a stolen election a lie and conspiracy theory, even though any investigation of that has been a small fraction of the Mueller investigation.


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Message 23 of 342 (886175)
05-09-2021 3:58 PM
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05-09-2021 3:34 PM


Re: free speech
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Almost as hilarious as Democrats shrieking "Trump - Russia collusion!!!!", even though it was shown to be a lie / conspiracy theory after the multi- million dollar Mueller investigation...

No, it wasn’t shown to be either a lie or a conspiracy theory. Manafort did have improper contact with the Russians. The Trump Tower meeting happened. The Russians were behind the DNC hack and the release of the documents. It turned out that Mueller didn’t find that things had gone far enough for charges, but there was enough to justify investigation.

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... and now they're calling the Trump claims of a stolen election a lie and conspiracy theory, even though any investigation of that has been a small fraction of the Mueller investigation.

Because there are no reasonable grounds for suspicion, and because the recounts and audits didn’t find any serious problems. When the supposed evidence has been looked at, it hasn’t needed any more investigation. We don’t need to seriously consider a report that compares voting figures from one State with population figures from another, or pay much attention to an “expert” report from a “Military Intelligence Analysts” who flunked the basic training for that position.


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marc9000
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Message 24 of 342 (886176)
05-09-2021 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by AZPaul3
05-06-2021 8:24 PM


marc9000 writes:

The question is, what is the fear of conservative free speech, that's causing all this brand new censorship?

Oh you have your free speech. No government agency is denying you a voice.

There is evidence that private Democrat monopolies are. But you didn't really answer the question. Why is there a FEAR of conservative free speech? There is also evidence that government subsidized universities have blocked conservative speakers on their campuses for decades. While constantly inviting America haters like Ward Churchill and countless others like him with open arms, to spew violent anti-Americanism.

The rest is social reaction to your hate speech. That reaction is allowed. That reaction is also free speech. Government can't stop you but the rest of society sure the hell can.

The big fear is you right-wingers becoming reich-wingers taking over, again, and killing everybody, again. Your hate speech right now is on that slippery slope that leads to NAZIs.

Do you want me to put it more graphically, like we're going to not only ridicule every backward inhumane stance you bozos come up with, we're going to throw sand in your face whenever, wherever we can?

If you want more graphic visuals just let me know.

You seem very angry, along with, I suspect, all of your green dot providers. It just doesn't make sense, considering that anger wasn't here only a few decades ago, when all of your recent demands weren't even on the horizon.

Here are a few graphic visuals for you;

60 years ago, most Democrats agreed that taxpayer funded abortion was a bad idea. Not any more.

60 years ago, most Democrats agreed that prayer in schools was okay. Not any more.

60 years ago, most Democrats supported the second amendment. Not any more.

40 years ago, most Democrats supported fiscal responsibility. (not borrowing trillions for government pork) Not any more.

40 years ago (or 10 years ago) most Democrats would have laughed at the stupidity of calling free child care, free healthcare, free college, forgiveness of student debt as "infrastructure". Not any more.

30 years ago, most Democrats wouldn't have agreed with taxpayer funded special rights for blacks and gays. Not any more.

30 years ago, (or 10 years ago) most Democrats would have laughed at the thought of "defunding the police". Not any more.

20 years ago, most Democrats supported immigration laws, a secure southern border. Not any more.

It goes on and on, do you need more examples? And you wonder why Republicans are becoming vocal enough to injure your sensitive feelings?


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marc9000
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Message 25 of 342 (886177)
05-09-2021 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by PaulK
05-09-2021 3:58 PM


Re: free speech
No, it wasn’t shown to be either a lie or a conspiracy theory. Manafort did have improper contact with the Russians. The Trump Tower meeting happened. The Russians were behind the DNC hack and the release of the documents. It turned out that Mueller didn’t find that things had gone far enough for charges, but there was enough to justify investigation.

Didn't go far enough for charges, but it was still the truth?

Because there are no reasonable grounds for suspicion, and because the recounts and audits didn’t find any serious problems.

But the recounts and audits didn't go on for 2 years, or cost millions of dollars. Ballot harvesting, mail in voting, and all the other fraud was barely investigated at all. No investigation on why the mainstream media completely covered up the Joe Biden / Hunter Biden corruption with Ukraine during the Obama administration, only weeks before the election. Polls showed that enough voters would have changed their vote from Biden to Trump had they known about it, to change the results.


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marc9000
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Message 26 of 342 (886178)
05-09-2021 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by PaulK
05-07-2021 2:00 AM


marc9000 writes:

And a poster from one side can determine what are intelligent posts from both sides, while a poster from the other side cannot?

I think that we can say that the person who tried to suggest that the restrictions on wood burning stoves was a response to global warming - and that the reason was the heat they give out - is unable to judge the intelligence. Message 633

It's all about government control of personal liberty, the different divisions of government excuses to do it is fairly irrelevant. I was much more concerned with intelligence, concerning the message that claimed that most all products used by humans today can easily be made without fossil fuels. And the very telling reaction it got when I pointed out how wrong that was. I'll go over to that thread here shortly.

Then perhaps you can show me evidence of this coup attempt and that Maxine Waters spread disinformation that lead to it.

You haven't seen the antifa and BLM riots, both before and after her incentivizing it, and calling it all okay?

If it was fear of what she was saying, why wasn’t she banned much earlier? It makes no sense.

Because, as I've been saying, conservative speech is becoming tolerated LESS, as a fear of it grows.

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The earth has to be billions of years old if we have to jam-pack all of reality into one time dimension.

That doesn’t even make sense.

It makes perfect sense, humans can't comprehend anything outside of one time dimension, three space dimensions, and re-arrangement of material. Logic actually tells us there is more to reality.

But even if it did, assuming multiple time dimensions isn’t even theistic.

No, God created time, he is outside of time. He created, humans can't create, or even comprehend creation.

Of course, even if a teacher was actually teaching that there was no God reacting to it by trying to take over parts of the science curriculum is in no way a sensible answer. Nor even a proportionate one. So that’s a good example of conservatives being worse than liberals.

?? That doesn't make sense.


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PaulK
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Message 27 of 342 (886179)
05-09-2021 4:27 PM
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05-09-2021 4:07 PM


Re: free speech
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Didn't go far enough for charges, but it was still the truth?

It was.

quote:
But the recounts and audits didn't go on for 2 years, or cost millions of dollars. Ballot harvesting, mail in voting, and all the other fraud was barely investigated at all.

Mail in voting certainly was checked in the audits. And again, where is the evidence that would justify an investigation? Should we start with the Republican Party in California with their fake boxes for collecting ballots?

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No investigation on why the mainstream media completely covered up the Joe Biden / Hunter Biden corruption with Ukraine during the Obama administration, only weeks before the election.

You mean that the incredibly suspect story about the laptop? Where the hard drive just happened to get sent to Rudy Giuliani - who sat on it for months?

quote:
Polls showed that enough voters would have changed their vote from Biden to Trump had they known about it, to change the results.

I’d like to see the question that was asked for that poll. But certainly the story got out - we all heard about it. But it was an obvious dirty trick.


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PaulK
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Message 28 of 342 (886181)
05-09-2021 4:44 PM
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05-09-2021 4:25 PM


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It's all about government control of personal liberty, the different divisions of government excuses to do it is fairly irrelevant.

That doesn’t change the fact that you have no idea what you were talking about. You can’t discuss the restrictions sensibly without understanding the reasons for them.

quote:
I was much more concerned with intelligence, concerning the message that claimed that most all products used by humans today can easily be made without fossil fuels. And the very telling reaction it got when I pointed out how wrong that was. I'll go over to that thread here shortly.

The more interesting question there is what is the impact on climate from those uses. Using oil as a raw material for producing plastics or artificial fibres is not obviously going to have the same effects as burning it.

quote:
You haven't seen the antifa and BLM riots, both before and after her incentivizing it, and calling it all okay?

So, no actual coup attempt. And since that was a very I prtant part of Trump’s ban, the equivalence isn’t there. Trump got a lot of tolerance, too.

quote:
Because, as I've been saying, conservative speech is becoming tolerated LESS, as a fear of it grows.

And yet Percy still had valid reasons for the ban that are not directed at conservatism. Or even “conservatism” (that is pretty intolerant of conservative speech as Liz Cheney is finding out).

quote:
It makes perfect sense, humans can't comprehend anything outside of one time dimension, three space dimensions, and re-arrangement of material. Logic actually tells us there is more to reality.

No, it didn’t make sense. And just saying that there must be more doesn’t give any reason to believe that the Earth isn’t billions of years old. Let alone that accepting that age is atheistic which is the real issue. Hinduism teaches that the Earth is even older. Does that make Hindus atheists? It’s absurd.

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?? That doesn't make sense.

Sure it does.

The only way atheism could be taught in schools is a teacher teaching that there was no God.

Creationists did try to inject their religious beliefs into science classes.

You say that it is because atheism was being taught. See above.

If an individual is breaking the law the correct response is to use the legal system to stop them. Not to use political means to get government support for a larger and more widely spread violation of the law.


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Tangle
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Message 29 of 342 (886182)
05-09-2021 4:53 PM


Why is everyone on the other side of religious and political argument a total plonker? It seems without exception. Surely there are those that can actually think and maintain a coherent, rational argument? Shirley?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 30 of 342 (886183)
05-09-2021 5:09 PM
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05-09-2021 4:53 PM


Surely there are those that can actually think and maintain a coherent, rational argument? Shirley?

Not even Shirley. The Trump Moron Cult is incurable and terminal.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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