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Message 741 of 1184 (849788)
03-21-2019 3:19 AM


New Zealand banned semi-automatic weapons overnight. Ownership is now illegal. Buy-back scheme being introduced and a truck load of licencing on the cards. All fabulously sane.
Explainer: how are New Zealand's gun laws changing? | Christchurch | The Guardian

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Message 746 of 1184 (850539)
04-10-2019 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 745 by Percy
04-10-2019 7:43 AM


Re: Sanity Reigns in the Southern Hemisphere
...and only one MP voted against. Extraordinary.

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Message 802 of 1184 (852880)
05-19-2019 1:10 PM


Voters in Switzerland have backed a tightening of gun laws to conform with European Union regulations.
Almost 64% of voters in Sunday's referendum supported tougher restrictions on semi-automatic and automatic weapons, final results show.
Switzerland gun control: Voters back EU regulations - BBC News
It *is* possible

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Message 829 of 1184 (862153)
09-02-2019 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 828 by Percy
09-01-2019 6:15 PM


Re: Midland-Odessa
Looking at those numbers I couldn't really see a strong correlation between guns and homicides but was surprised to find that it's r=0.87 - a very strong correlation.
But if you remove the USA as a massive outlier, you get r=0.27 - a very weak correlation.
Not sure what to think about that ... except that the USA is weird.

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Message 832 of 1184 (862171)
09-02-2019 4:20 PM
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09-02-2019 3:43 PM


Re: Midland-Odessa
Percy writes:
What did you do to extract the numbers into your analysis tool?
Nothing clever, I just typed in the numbers into Excel and used its CORREL function.
If you used Excel to draw your scattergraph you can add a trendline and tick the r2 function box too.

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Message 859 of 1184 (886217)
05-11-2021 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 858 by Phat
05-10-2021 7:24 PM


Re: News From Colorado
'Nothing unusual' about carrying a handgun. What a fucked up country you guys live in.

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Message 868 of 1184 (886232)
05-11-2021 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 865 by jar
05-11-2021 10:07 AM


Re: Violence and root causes.
It's not a "platform' IT'S A GUN!
You know that revisionism is at work when they start changing the words.

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Message 871 of 1184 (886240)
05-11-2021 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 869 by jar
05-11-2021 4:02 PM


Re: Violence and root causes.
jar writes:
What caliber ammo is used in AR-15 type rifles? What is the difference between the two basic calibers? What type bullets are used in those two calibers of ammo? How man people are killed in the US every year by being shot with an AR-15 type rifle? What caliber of ammo and type of bullet was used in each of those cases?
You think these esoteric distinctions actually matter? THEY'RE GUNS! Are you insane?
Banning AR-15 style rifles is an easy but stupid tactic that has absolutely no effect on the root causes of violence.
I completely agree, you need to ban GUNS, not brands, not calibers, not sub-categories of 'platforms'. Take guns out of circulation.
It's utterly crazy.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 883 of 1184 (886257)
05-12-2021 3:03 AM
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05-12-2021 12:25 AM


Re: Violence and root causes.
Phat writes:
That would make it harder for people to quickly kill each other
I may be old fashioned but I regard that as 'a good thing'.
but jar has a point in that the social root causes of the insanity remain.
That's hardly a point in his favour is it? If the insanity in people exists who but the more insane would give them guns?
Plus, I doubt he would ever let go of the right to bear arms.
Of course he wouldn't, he's a child and he's insane about this issue. They have to be removed from him gently while he's asleep by a loving parent.

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Message 929 of 1184 (894999)
06-05-2022 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 928 by marc9000
06-05-2022 3:27 PM


Re: Biden's speech
Marc writes:
All of the recent shootings today are COPYCAT shootings. They don't come up with the idea to do it on their own,
Thank god for that, for a moment I thought you guys had a problem.
If news was only reported, and not sensationalized, there would be far fewer senseless mass shootings.
In what warped world is the reporting of a mass murder not sensational?

Edited by Admin, : Correct typo: "It what world" => "In what world"


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Message 935 of 1184 (895013)
06-06-2022 3:23 AM
Reply to: Message 931 by marc9000
06-05-2022 8:28 PM


Re: Biden's speech
marc writes:
In plane crashes, bus crashes, weather disasters, Andrew Cuomo's nursing home deaths, many other things, often with far more than 21 deaths, mainstream evening news reports don't continue to harp on it for weeks after the event, showing pictures of victims, interviews with survivors, videos of funerals, lists of dreams the dead victims had, political demands to grow the government.
I don't accept your premise. When an airplane crashes killing people it's all over the news across the world for at least the day it happens and in the country it happens in it will go on longer with tearful interviews and 'hearts, prayers and minds' statements etc. from politicians.
If it happens again a few weeks later, then again and again and again. You think it wouldn't be in the news?

Every fucking excuse…. Look at the rest of the world, it doesn't have this problem. The difference is the guns.

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Message 942 of 1184 (895056)
06-07-2022 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 937 by jar
06-06-2022 8:03 AM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
jar writes:
First, there is no reasonable way to get rid of guns in the US in anything short of a few centuries.
Best make a start on it then, eh?

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 952 of 1184 (895081)
06-07-2022 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 951 by jar
06-07-2022 2:18 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
It's more than time to give up your guns Jar. Start with the big ones.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 989 of 1184 (895131)
06-08-2022 12:34 PM


If the honest citizen thinks that there's a possibility of being attacked by a criminal/loony with a gun and he's legally able to have a gun himself, it seems rational to get a gun. (Even though it isn't.)
It's incredibly unlikely that a honest citizen will be attacked by a guy with a gun in the UK because they're illegal and the illegal guns aren't easily available. You go to jail for a minimum of 5 years for just having one. Commit a crime with a gun, even if you don't use it, and you go to jail for a much longer term.
Get rid of the guns and killing people with guns goes away.
(Yes, there are exceptions.)

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 1007 of 1184 (895160)
06-10-2022 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1006 by vimesey
06-09-2022 11:28 PM


Re: Biden's speech
… isn't it weird that these mass murderers never seem to choose a baseball bat? I wonder why that is? Do'h.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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