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Phat
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Message 77 of 99 (886081)
05-05-2021 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by jar
05-05-2021 7:51 AM


Delusions Of Magik,Favoritism and Entitlement
jar writes:

Reality controls science.

Quite so. Science is evidence based. Perhaps a better rephrasing of the question is Does Evidence Control Belief? And should it? I have been asked many times to answer the question as to The Holy Spirit being present and/or Jesus being alive. Jar always claims that nobody has given him an answer. My esponse to that is why he seems dense and confused enough to nver come up with his own answer, apart from vetoing traditional beliefs in the name of evidence based science.

I certainly found my own answers, but will never be able to explain my own mind to anyone else.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 78 of 99 (886082)
05-05-2021 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by PaulK
05-05-2021 8:48 AM


Re: The God Authoritarian Delusion Debate
Good point. ringo himself has mentioned being quite far to the left ideologically. Marxism is an outdated concept. (some of us think communism is also, seeing as how it failed after the Cold War. The only folks left who embraced it lived in nations too poor to ever embrace Capitalism.) As for Jesus and the Book of Acts, I see it as a story in the context of those times. No humans worth their salt would ever lay everything at the feet of Government.(Todays Apostles) Nor would they lay it at the feet of some televangelist! Which begs the question as to Whom we are called to give it all up for and whose feet we should lay our stuff under.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 87 of 99 (886108)
05-06-2021 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by jar
05-05-2021 11:55 AM


Re: The God Authoritarian Delusion Debate
Of, By, and For the people?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 99 of 99 (886250)
05-11-2021 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by marc9000
05-06-2021 6:53 PM


Re: Concluding statements
I dont know nor care too much about defending Creationism. In regards to the new generals, however, I had heard that Stephen Meyer and Jonathan Sarfati were the Literati whom were left. What flaws do the majority of you discern in these two men? And again....I don't really see why there even exists Creationism except for the profit motive in writing books.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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