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ringo
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Message 46 of 767 (886227)
05-11-2021 10:41 AM
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Re: free speech
Phat writes:

And I'm a political moderate...I'm neither pro nor anti-Trump.


No you're not. If you're not anti-Trump, you're no moderate.

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Message 47 of 767 (886228)
05-11-2021 11:05 AM
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Re: free speech
Saskachewanian Critic writes:

If you're not anti-Trump, you're no moderate.

OK, I suppose I am anti Trump. I certainly dont want to ever see him in power again.

I just don't hate him as much as many of you do. I made money during his term. Its all about to evaporate now with the inevitable inflation that we all will get.


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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Message 48 of 767 (886229)
05-11-2021 11:26 AM
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05-10-2021 6:43 AM


Thats a blanket statement. Anyone who knows how to read can plainly see what Jesus teachings are/were. What you reject is the idea that anyone could ever have a relationship/communion. Yes I know., there is no objective evidence. But I'm not gonna follow your path of personal responsibility simply because the rest of the left leaning crowd does. They make it mandatory and would make the way of 52% the law for everyone.

And I don't care if you all argue that the Jesus of the book also suggested mandatory compliance. You will never marry Jesus and empathetic liberalism. Call me a Nazi, but I will resist...unless God Himself convicts me. (Which He might, eventually)

The bottom line is that giving and financial commitment should ALWAYS be voluntary and NEVER mandatory. And this is where liberal policies fail.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 49 of 767 (886230)
05-11-2021 12:56 PM
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05-10-2021 11:41 PM


Re: free speech
I was wondering when Trump was officially going to get served for his misdeeds documented by Mueller coupled with his misdeeds in early 2021. I just hope that justice is thorough and complete.

Take a number and queue up in the long line. Trump is a crook and has always been a crook, and that was common knowledge when he was elected in 2016 (so what's wrong with the people who voted for him? Note that he lost in New York where they knew him best). For decades he had presented a hard target, but now every agency has him in their sights; running for President was the worst and single most stupid mistake Trump had ever made.

What had kept Trump out of jail in the past was that he presented too hard a target. Prosecutors need to get results (indictments and convictions), but they have limited resources. As a result, they tend to go after the soft targets without the armies of lawyers intent to delaying you at every turn (as we saw Trump's lawyers do in the long drawn-out battle to subpoena his tax records). They just could not squander all their limited resources for such an extended time on a small potatoes crook when there are more dangerous criminals out there.

But now Trump has become the most dangerous criminal in the country. Now he's the big target, still harder than most, but worth the effort. Plus they've finally been able to get his records. Now SDNY can finally get him on tax fraud, bank fraud, and insurance fraud -- personally, I think that they will be able to add money laundering, especially of Russian money, once they can get Deutsche Bank's records on Trump. Then there are felony election law violations in GA and potentially other states. And campaign finance violations (eg, as INDIVIDUAL1). And multiple corruption charges. And several accounts of sexual assault (including a rape accusation for which he will finally need to submit a DNA sample). Etc.

So in the matter of prosecuting Trump, we suffer from an overwhelming embarrassment of riches.

 
BTW, IRS auditing works the same way. Auditors need to show results, but they are working with limited resources including the amount of time they are allowed to spend catching a tax cheat. So basically an auditor's performance evaluation (and ability to advance or just plain keep their job) depends on how much tax revenue they can recover from tax cheats at the lowest cost.

Taking down the biggest tax cheats would bring in the most missing revenue, so an auditor should want to target them. But the problem is that the biggest tax cheats are also the hardest targets. They are lawyered up to such an extent that it becomes too expensive to pursue them, plus their other lawyers have constructed their tax cheating mechanisms to be harder to crack. They become too difficult for auditors to take on.

In contrast, smaller tax cheats don't have armies of lawyers at their disposal nor are their cheats very sophisticated, if at all. For that matter, because they usually lack any legal counsel many probably don't even know they've done anything wrong. That makes them so much easier to take down and collect lost revenue from. Plus there are so many of them that an auditor can easily bring in a lot of lost revenue at a low cost, even though that's peanuts compared to what they could rake in from a big tax cheat.

Now consider what Trump did to the IRS. For one thing, he slashed their budget which had the effect of greatly reducing how many audits they could conduct, plus shifting their attention away from bigger tax cheats and to the smallest.

For another thing, he made sure to fill the top three positions in the IRS with his people and made sure that they were confirmed so as to be fully empowered. Compare that amount of attention to how the overall pattern of appointments wherein he would fill many positions with acting officials (basically by firing the confirmed official and replacing him with a "temp") while leaving a large number of positions empty. And yet he acted immediately to fill those top three IRS positions with his stooges. As if he anticipated needing them to keep his taxes secret.

On another note, part of how Biden plans to finance his infrastructure plan includes having the IRS collect from the biggest tax cheats. That would bring them up against hard targets, whom the IRS could try to take on given a clear mandate to do so and sufficient funding and support to pull it off. We'll have to wait and see.

Based on the information given, I think he is guilty of at least two violations of presidential authority and responsibility.

There are also many monetary crimes, including flagrant corruption.

The most flagrant case was Trump's frequent golf trips to his own properties. His entire entourage had to accompany him and had to pay lodging and meals and sundry (eg, golf cart rentals, green fees, etc) to Trump's own business. A figure I read was that $44,000 of taxpayer money was paid to Trump's own business for each trip (though I'm not sure whether that was per day or per weekend). Into his third year, the figure I heard was that his golf resorts had been paid about $9 million of taxpayer money. Note also that while he criticized Obama's golfing and claimed that he would be so busy that he would have no time to golf, yet within 3 years he had already exceeded the total amount of golfing that Obama had done in eight years.

And that's just the most flagrant and out in the open example. He also had the military divert flights so that the crew would have to overnight at a Trump resort. And for an official visit to Ireland, even though the meetings were in Dublin Pence had to stay at a Trump resort all the way on the other side of the country.

And then there was that press event between Trump and the Irish President in an airport lounge next to the vending machines. Trump wanted them to hold it at his nearby resort and he wanted them to travel there in three limousines that they would rent from Trump's resort (and hence from Trump) for a million dollars. The Irish President wanted them to use an Irish government building which was closer -- I didn't hear that part, but I'm sure that Trump would have charged for the use of his resort whereas the Irish wouldn't charge anything for the use of their gov't building. In response, Trump just had it held in the airport lounge.

In addition, there are just too many stories of large amounts of government money that have gone missing with no explanation -- eg, from Trump's COVID relief bill early on in the pandemic. The business that Trump paid about a billion dollars to to produce syringes for the vaccine and other items and they have to deliver anything. Or the millions of vaccine doses that Trump held in reserve to guarantee the second shot, but when Biden decided to tap into it to increase the number of first shots that reserve proved to be empty. No vaccine to be found in that reserve. Where did it go? Into a black market? For that matter, was it ever there? Was somebody paid for millions of doses of vaccine that were never even delivered? Enquiring minds want to know.

To Trump's own personal corruption, add the corruption of his Cabinet members and other Trump officials. All of which will need to be investigated and prosecuted where needed. Already, Bill Barr's days seem to be numbered.

And there's not even mentioning possible charges stemming from Trump's Russian connections. From the very start, anybody with any amount of training in counterintelligence would see the red flags going up all around Trump -- BTW, every single military member receives such training as part of annual security training (eg, security, classification, counterintelligence, anti-terrorism/force protection). The signs all pointed to Trump being a Russian asset, whether willingly or as a "useful idiot" (or both). Saying that there's nothing there would be like saying that the Mueller Report proved that "there was no collusion" between Russia and the Trump Campaign.

There were two separate investigations: the Mueller investigation into the Trump Campaign and Russia, and a classified counterintelligence FBI investigation into Trump's financial connections with Russia. As Mueller encountered information and evidence about Trump's finances, he passed it on to that parallel FBI investigation. When Mueller released his report, we "knew" that the FBI investigation was still ongoing and we waited for its report.

Well, we learned in August 2020 that Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein, who had started the two investigations and had oversight over them at first, had stopped that FBI investigation shortly after it had started (which would place that in mid- to late-2017).

So the counterintelligence investigation of Trump's financial ties with Russia has not been conducted and still needs to be conducted. Hopefully that has been started up again.

As we wait for the other shoe to drop.

I just want our system to work honestly the way it was intended.

So do I, whole-heartedly. Which is why I am so thoroughly disgusted with the GOP's concerted efforts to pervert democracy and even to just discard democracy altogether if that serves their purposes.

The Democrats are no Saints either, but lets wait 4 years before judging them.

We're not looking for "Saints" (ie, perfect people), but rather for a party which will at least try to govern and try to represent and work for the American people through our system of government by working it honestly the way it was intended.

The Republicans don't even try to govern, but only to obstruct. They don't represent the people nor do they even try to work for them -- rather, just about everything the Republicans do is to the detriment of the American people (eg, placing the tax burden on the middle class and below, poisoning us through deregulation, stripping us of medical insurance, starving us, etc). In addition, they are now frantically stripping American citizens of the right to vote, even to the point of trying to enact laws that empower state legislatures to silence the voice of the people by arbitrarily overturning elections if the outcome is not what the Republicans want.

The Democrats are not perfect nor ever will be, but at least they're trying to govern for the American people. The Republicans couldn't care less about the people.

There is no equivalency! So if you decide after 4 years that the Democrats are not perfect, then what? Are you going to hand it over to the Republicans for them to destroy? What sense could that make?


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Message 50 of 767 (886231)
05-11-2021 2:29 PM
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05-11-2021 11:26 AM


Phat writes:

But I'm not gonna follow your path of personal responsibility simply because the rest of the left leaning crowd does. They make it mandatory and would make the way of 52% the law for everyone.


Liar. Nobody but you has said anything about getting the government involved.

Phat writes:

And I don't care if you all argue that the Jesus of the book also suggested mandatory compliance.


He didn't "suggest" it. He said it's a requirement for salvation.

Phat writes:

You will never marry Jesus and empathetic liberalism.


They've already been married for 2000 years.

Phat writes:

Call me a Nazi, but I will resist...


Yes, you've made it clear that you will never accept Jesus.

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Message 51 of 767 (886237)
05-11-2021 4:06 PM
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Phat writes:

The bottom line is that giving and financial commitment should ALWAYS be voluntary and NEVER mandatory. And this is where liberal policies fail.

You keep posting really stupid stuff Phat.

Where does the money to pay for public schools, roads, police, fire, street lights, sidewalks, Social Security, Unemployment Compensation and the military budget come from?


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Message 52 of 767 (886238)
05-11-2021 4:10 PM
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Thats the basics. Of course its mandatory. The problem comes when one political ideology decides on some ludicrous thing such as reparations and then adds that to the budget.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 53 of 767 (886246)
05-11-2021 9:01 PM
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I'll be back this weekend.

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Message 54 of 767 (886251)
05-12-2021 12:19 AM
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Yeah, I wasted half an hour reading your crap last week. I'm busy.

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Message 55 of 767 (886260)
05-12-2021 7:01 AM
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Phat writes:

The problem comes when one political ideology decides on some ludicrous thing such as reparations and then adds that to the budget.

Why are reparations ludicrous and where in the budget are they listed?


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Message 56 of 767 (886269)
05-12-2021 6:55 PM
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Phat writes:

The problem comes when one political ideology decides on some ludicrous thing such as reparations and then adds that to the budget.

For one thing any reparations likely won't be paid by you, since I doubt you make enough money to *actually* pay federal taxes at all. Remember, sales taxes and property taxes are not Federal.

Also, white households have much more accumulated wealth due to racism and genocide.

quote:
In the 2019 survey, White families have the highest level of both median and mean family wealth: $188,200 and $983,400, respectively (Figure 1). Black and Hispanic families have considerably less wealth than White families. Black families' median and mean wealth is less than 15 percent that of White families, at $24,100 and $142,500, respectively. Hispanic families' median and mean wealth is $36,100 and $165,500, respectively. Other families—a diverse group that includes those identifying as Asian, American Indian, Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander, other race, and all respondents reporting more than one racial identification—have lower wealth than White families but higher wealth than Black and Hispanic families. The same patterns of inequality in the distribution of wealth across all families are also evident within race/ethnicity groups; for each of the four race/ethnicity groups, the mean is substantially higher than the median, reflecting the concentration of wealth at the top of the wealth distribution for each group.

Source

So we have the data showing different outcomes by "race." Now there are different explanations for this observable fact. Mine is that it is due largely to racism whereas Fox News viewers, sitting on their ass eating frozen pizza and chugging Budweiser "beer" in their underwear in the trailer park will likely say it is due to their "superiority" over all others.

No, any fees will largely be paid by the scumbag, racist, Nazi-backing billionaires. Now it seems according to your posts, your talking points display an unusual degree of swooning over the known liars Hannity and Carlson, so I think we can discern where you fit on the spectrum.

Well, if you prefer that Jeff Bezos use his fortune to purchase a $500 million yacht rather than return a single penny to the treasury, I think it is best you know the character of the person you are siding with. Bezos is only the second manager of a major company to time and fine for exceeding a bathroom break limits.

The first was SS General Odilo Globocnik who, while in charge of Operation Reinhard (Einsatz Reinhard) "employed" select Jewish individuals to act as timekeepers, IIRC the allotted time was two minutes. Unfortunately I don't remember the specific term they used for the position, but it was something like schizenmeister. My source perished in the housefire. At any rate, Bezos runs an Amazon fulfillment center just like Globocnik ran the death camps in regard to bathroom breaks.

So, you side with Bezos and Globocnik over the Africans who were denied life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness; over the natives whose land was stolen; and Hispanics who were denied basic human respect and justice.

So, how's that Matthew challenge going? Ever make it to the parable of the sheep and goats? Make it to the punchline, "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me." (Matthew 25:45)? Do you see the WWJD in thes words? Do you think Jesus sides with Bezos and Globocnik?

What would YOU do?


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If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

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Message 57 of 767 (886270)
05-12-2021 11:57 PM
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The New Boss?
anglagard writes:

Now it seems according to your posts, your talking points display an unusual degree of swooning over the known liars Hannity and Carlson, so I think we can discern where you fit on the spectrum.

Honestly I think I may have heard each of them once at most. I pay little attention to most commentators as personalities. I DO like Ben Shapiro. He is articulate and he rankles the ire of the trans genders who claim they get to define their gender. Ben argues that basic biology determines that rather than inner feelings. OK, he could be a little nicer, but I dont see him as beng sexist...simply a realist.
So we have the data showing different outcomes by "race." Now there are different explanations for this observable fact. Mine is that it is due largely to racism whereas Fox News viewers, sitting on their ass eating frozen pizza and chugging Budweiser "beer" in their underwear in the trailer park will likely say it is due to their "superiority" over all others.
Funny that you mention "trailer park". I once knew a guy....met him when he was young during my church recruitment days. They lived in the trailer park rather cheaply, but his Step Dad taught him the building trade and he later grew up and started his own small business. He was pro Trump largely due to the economic benefits that small businesses got. He was not an obvious racist, though I never knew him enough to find out where he stood. The prevailing attitude---could it ever be quantified---was that Trump gave the white folks a chance where Obama would focus more energy on obvious racial minorities. I never had much of an opinion. I always had a job and always worked hard at it.
So, you side with Bezos and Globocnik over the Africans who were denied life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness; over the natives whose land was stolen; and Hispanics who were denied basic human respect and justice.
My basic philosophy is that all races should be given equal opportunities. Dont punish a particular race for the sins of their forefathers, and don't artificially raise up another group to fulfill the lyrics of an old WHO song: Meet the new Boss....Same as the old Boss.

In your defense, I suppose Jesus did clearly mention the LEAST of these, so I really have no argument.


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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Message 58 of 767 (886273)
05-13-2021 3:48 AM
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Re: The New Boss?
I DO like Ben Shapiro. He is articulate and he rankles the ire of the trans genders who claim they get to define their gender. Ben argues that basic biology determines that rather than inner feelings.

What do biologists really think of sex and gender?

-PZ Myers

quote:
I was recently berated by someone telling me that they were surprised that a biologist, who does things like determining the sex of a fly, a fish, or a spider, actually agrees with people who see gender as fluid and variable, and not necessarily in alignment with sex. All I can say is…there are an awful lot of people out there with a seriously mangled version of scientific concepts. Worse, they use their misunderstanding of basic terms to argue that they have a scientific foundation for their bad ideas.

You did it again, Phat. You opened mouth and inserted foot. Well ... inserted Ben Shapiro's foot.

This is one of the things that science has been saying for decades, generations, but the religeo-conservative evil-doers don't care to listen. Gender and sex are different.

Sorry, Phat. Wrong again. You gotta stop listening to BS artists.

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Message 59 of 767 (886275)
05-13-2021 6:40 AM
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Re: The New Boss?
And in fact looking at the natural world we do find that sex is quite often fluid.

The temperature of the alligator nest determining the sex of the chicks or the fish that change sex in both directions or the things that are simultaneous hermaphrodites or the critters that are gender neutral, neither male or female.

Not only are sex and gender two separate things but both are actually quite fluid.

Ben Shapiro is simply another carny barker.


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Message 60 of 767 (886284)
05-13-2021 10:55 AM
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Re: The New Boss?
Phat writes:

I DO like Ben Shapiro. He is articulate and he rankles the ire of the trans genders who claim they get to define their gender.


And that's a good thing? It seems to me that you guys have entirely too much ire-rankling.

Phat writes:

Ben argues that basic biology determines that rather than inner feelings.


Have you ever studied any foreign languages? Specifically, languages where gender is significant? In French, for example, the word for "cat" is always feminine and the word for "dog" is always masculine. The gender has nothing to do with the actual sex of the beast.

So Ben Shapiro doesn't know what he's talking about.

Phat writes:

Dont punish a particular race for the sins of their forefathers....


So if your father died without paying off the mortgage on the house, the bank should just write it off? That's not much of a capitalist attitude. Even I would say that if the children get the benefits of their fathers' deeds, they should pay the price.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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