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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
I was wondering when Trump was officially going to get served for his misdeeds documented by Mueller coupled with his misdeeds in early 2021. I just hope that justice is thorough and complete.
dwise1 writes: The investigation is ongoing. Let's see Based on the information given, I think he is guilty of at least two violations of presidential authority and responsibility. And I'm a political moderate...I'm neither pro nor anti-Trump. I just want our system to work honestly the way it was intended. I believe that the election was not rigged. The Democrats are no Saints either, but lets wait 4 years before judging them. Edited by Phat, : added features "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Saskachewanian Critic writes: OK, I suppose I am anti Trump. I certainly dont want to ever see him in power again. If you're not anti-Trump, you're no moderate. I just don't hate him as much as many of you do. I made money during his term. Its all about to evaporate now with the inevitable inflation that we all will get."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Thats a blanket statement. Anyone who knows how to read can plainly see what Jesus teachings are/were. What you reject is the idea that anyone could ever have a relationship/communion. Yes I know., there is no objective evidence. But I'm not gonna follow your path of personal responsibility simply because the rest of the left leaning crowd does. They make it mandatory and would make the way of 52% the law for everyone.
And I don't care if you all argue that the Jesus of the book also suggested mandatory compliance. You will never marry Jesus and empathetic liberalism. Call me a Nazi, but I will resist...unless God Himself convicts me. (Which He might, eventually) The bottom line is that giving and financial commitment should ALWAYS be voluntary and NEVER mandatory. And this is where liberal policies fail."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Thats the basics. Of course its mandatory. The problem comes when one political ideology decides on some ludicrous thing such as reparations and then adds that to the budget.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
anglagard writes: Honestly I think I may have heard each of them once at most. I pay little attention to most commentators as personalities. I DO like Ben Shapiro. He is articulate and he rankles the ire of the trans genders who claim they get to define their gender. Ben argues that basic biology determines that rather than inner feelings. OK, he could be a little nicer, but I dont see him as beng sexist...simply a realist.
Now it seems according to your posts, your talking points display an unusual degree of swooning over the known liars Hannity and Carlson, so I think we can discern where you fit on the spectrum.So we have the data showing different outcomes by "race." Now there are different explanations for this observable fact. Mine is that it is due largely to racism whereas Fox News viewers, sitting on their ass eating frozen pizza and chugging Budweiser "beer" in their underwear in the trailer park will likely say it is due to their "superiority" over all others. Funny that you mention "trailer park". I once knew a guy....met him when he was young during my church recruitment days. They lived in the trailer park rather cheaply, but his Step Dad taught him the building trade and he later grew up and started his own small business. He was pro Trump largely due to the economic benefits that small businesses got. He was not an obvious racist, though I never knew him enough to find out where he stood. The prevailing attitude---could it ever be quantified---was that Trump gave the white folks a chance where Obama would focus more energy on obvious racial minorities. I never had much of an opinion. I always had a job and always worked hard at it.
So, you side with Bezos and Globocnik over the Africans who were denied life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness; over the natives whose land was stolen; and Hispanics who were denied basic human respect and justice. My basic philosophy is that all races should be given equal opportunities. Dont punish a particular race for the sins of their forefathers, and don't artificially raise up another group to fulfill the lyrics of an old WHO song: Meet the new Boss....Same as the old Boss. In your defense, I suppose Jesus did clearly mention the LEAST of these, so I really have no argument."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Mercury writes: I am hardly a professor, though I do draw conclusions without hearing both sides. If so I DO apologize. I like Ben Shapiros arguments in that they challenge the other side to think outside their world view. First off, I've never taken basic biology. I have taken general biology, biochemistry, mathematical biology, and a one credit hour senior elective called freestyle biology. Apologies in advance if my experience isn't up to the rigors of your course, Professor Phat. Ben is likely too authoritarian for your liking.
Please, educate me. I am no expert and neither is Shapiro. His world view is defensible and his Judaism is in league with traditional, rather than progressive Christianity. For the record, I lean towards traditional Christianity and away from Progressive or Emergent Christianity."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
If by that you mean that I should be forced to bow to scientific conclusions, the answer is no. Not for now. My critics have never admitted that I know anything apart from what they can scientifically prove. My argument is that they can neither prove nor disprove anything.
You yourself say that gender is an arbitrary set of social expectations."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
dwise1 writes: Your argument is persuasive enough for me to drop back and allow you to win. It is true that I see a black and white type of world. Whether or not I prove to be right, I am out of my league scientifically...I'll not look up Bens arguments simply to parrot them. My only point where I agree with his side is in the matter of being forced to recognize certain realities (or observations) due to science. I''llnot let science be my thought police. Like most of us (myself included), you like to live in a comfortable binary world where everything is either this or that and there's no in-between. But there is a lot of grey inside any black-and-white world. There must be many factors that go into forming a gender identity. Including hormone levels (just to keep it simplistic). And there are documented instances of genetic males or females having developed opposite-sex secondary traits. There's more to it than you or your Ben Shapiro would think."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Phat writes:
Dont punish a particular race for the sins of their forefathers....So if your father died without paying off the mortgage on the house, the bank should just write it off? That's not much of a capitalist attitude. Even I would say that if the children get the benefits of their fathers' deeds, they should pay the price. This may work on an individual measurable level. It certainly could never be calculated nor applied to large people groups in any way that wouldnt start a war. We are divided enough culturally already. And were a bill be presented to me that my father owed, I would feel under no legal nor moral obligation to pay it...for the record. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
ringo writes: Yes, the house should be paid off by the children if they hoped to keep it. What should never happen is that the bank sends the children a letter saying that my father got an unfairly good deal and that in order to keep the house we pay more than the original terms. Thats what I meant to say. So if your father died without paying off the mortgage on the house, the bank should just write it off? That's not much of a capitalist attitude. Even I would say that if the children get the benefits of their fathers' deeds, they should pay the price."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
If the children inherited an unfair advantage, why shouldn't they pay for it? You're using Trump mathematics: "I got ahead somehow, so stop counting and let me keep my lead." The issue is that the bank is in no position to judge.Why not? For obvious reasons. Banks are not judges. They make contracts and collect interest. Period. Nor is the government. Thats why issues such as this will never become law.
You seem awfully eager to start a war. Im just warning those listening that one never touches another mans stack. The government is not nor ever will be Jesus. And He is the ONLY One who can touch my assets. Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
I fixed your spelling of the word Naive.
AZ writes: The IRS Plays by the rules of law. Jesus recommended giving to Caesar that which is Caesars. Honest people have no need to fear the IRS.
Naive, Phat. Understand the way the world really works. In a fair fight the IRS would wipe the floor with your bloody ragmop of a Jesus because the IRS doesn't fight fair and can seize all your assets this afternoon and the banks have no option but to comply this afternoon.You think your god is powerful? Don't screw with the IRS. Why would I? And why would our government make a law that unfairly seized assets? We have a strong legal system for a reason. And our Supreme Court is conservative enough that morality will never be redefined based on emotional references from the distant past. Its a bit too conservative currently but thank God its not stacked with liberals...or they would be after our money (for the benefit of all, of course )"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Mercury writes: I wont challenge the science. What I challenge is the "special rights" reparations issues that the Left seems to favor. Leave the Caucasians alone except to corect their ignorance and racism/sexism. But dont force them into a corner. Neither the L, the G, the B, the Q or the T...nor the BLM...have any more right to anything than the old white guy. (namely me) What I want you to do is explain yourself and clarify your point. How do you define gender? Why do you keep equating it with sex when the former is sociological and the latter is biological? How exactly are trans people out of touch with reality? Why does it amuse you to see people distressed when they are attacked for their very identity? Now for ringo:
ringo writes: Only if society can agree on who it should pay and whether such a value amount can even be determined. If society owes "itself" quit robbing Peter to pay Paul. Just leave well enough alone. The cure will be as bad or worse than the disease ever was, I can tell you that. The committee which judged such a thing couldnt be partisan...be it liberal or conservative. I say just leave things in the past as they were, fair or unfair...quit catering to special interest groups who whine about being treated unfair...work to address and redress these issues but dont go out of your way to fine the Caucasian. You will be throwing gasoline on the fire. It wont work. I never believed in affirmative action when it had to "fine" one group and reward another. Yes, things have historically been unequal. The goal should be to treat everyone equal from today forward. But don't try and fine me for Granddads moral debts. You have no right to interfere with my family personally in order to achieve your social justice goals which please the Jesus of your imagination. I will talk with my Jesus of my imagination(according to you) and He will let me know if you should be winning this argument. I'll not let some liberal feel good committee become my morality police. The issue is whether or not society "should" pay. Even when nobody can force society to pay, "should" society do the right thing?(...) If not, it's because society wants to weasel out of its debts."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Dr.Jones writes: What is so hard about the idea that people who have been enslaved deserve some form of compensation from the government that allowed and profited from it? OK to start with, where does the money come from? Now if you said that we all could vote to take it out of the military budget I may actually go along with that. But you don't just send a bill to some households. There is no way to accurately measure any compensation that is fair across all cultural definitions."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18639 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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