Believe in UFOs? This editorial's for you!

Oh boy, LamarkNewAge, should have known the source. Look, it's bad enough I have to fight the Nazi menace my ancestors supposedly took care of eight decades ago, now I also have to keep the dogs of New Age naivety from nipping at my heels, something I thought was over back in 1979 when I left California for good.Did it ever occur to you that there is an unusually high correlation between the location of Bliss, WSMR, Kirtland, Sandia, Hollis, Holloman, Lancaster, and UFO sightings?To paraphrase the Church Lady, "Could it be...... DARPA?" aka my teachers at Belvoir back in 1984.Now I will leave you to muse over that relatively simple sentence, since I have an appointment today with 300mg of THC via edible gummies. However, I don't want you to leave empty-handed, so let me regale you with a few local tales.First up, the Roswell Incident, or as the stripper "Christal Powers" puts it "the Gospels of UFOology." Now, we all know their "official" take is that a "flying saucer," a term first used in reference to the lenticular cloud that forms over Mt Ranier half the time every morning, just the penultimate source of this nascent "religion.". So this "flying saucer" supposedly crashed on some ranch outside of Roswell, it had magic "space metal" and "undecipherable writing." After 1980, the story also includes "alien bodies."Well, hate to disappoint you but the truth is more mundane, the UFO was a Helium balloon sent up by Dr. Charles B. Moore, "space metal" was the recently invented Mylar, and the "alien writings" were the tape from a children's toy factory used to tie the Helium balloon together. Read all about it here. As to the "alien bodies" do a lit review. Show me any mention of alien bodies recovered in the Roswell incident prior to the release of Hangar 18. Do me a solid and let me know because I have been looking for any reference prior to 1980 without success since 1980.The second incident, aka the Socorro "saucer" one, also has a mundane explanation. Here are some. Personally, I tend to favor the prototype lunar lander over the tech student prank although given my past both hypotheses are far more plausible than any "grey aliens."As to why the DoD appears reluctant to "come clean" by telling you everything they know about DARPA, well, there is another DoD Agency called DSEC. Don't bother looking for their website, they don't have one and they don't want you to know about a damn thing. So what is DSEC? Well, what is given can also be freely taken away, as in a security clearance, that is DSEC. Fuck up and blab secrets, clearance gone, 10 years Leavenworth minimum so freedom gone too. That is why they don't speak up when the likes of you wallow in conspiracy theories.There is a lot more to life, the universe, and everything beyond your philosophy, Horatio, than you can begin to imagine.Disclaimer: most of the various references to the sources in the Wikipedia articles, are or were personally known by the author of this post.Will the real skeptic please stand up - What's My Line?

Dammit Jim, I'm a librarian, not a doctor.

This is the same threat I have heard all my life. Some joker I never heard of is going to prove X due to a secret film or some form of esoteric knowledge even Einstein was too stupid to figure out.X=
a) UFOs as more than a weird form of parodelia
b) Creationism
c) Ancient aliens
d) Bigfoot, Yeti, Loch Ness Monster, Dinosaurs in the Congo Basin, and so on.
e) Demons, boogeymen, ghosts, poltergeists, leprechauns, the monster under the bed, and so on.
f) Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and so on.
g) Pentecostalism, Evangelicalism, Fundamentalism, and so on.
h) and so on.Unidentified Flying Objects are exactly that - unidentified. Sometimes footage indicates some phenomena is occurring for which no satisfactory explanation exists. This is almost always later revealed, after the documents get declassified, that the most puzzling are probably DARPA or a foreign equivalent, while the obvious hoaxes are ignored. The obvious hoaxes seem to be a factor ignored even more by the adherents than the military, which is somewhat concerned about false positives, but I guess the adherents don't know about PSYOPS or ACI.Google. Um...Have you kept up with modern historians or did your reading of history stop with Thomas Carlyle's "dark age?" Dark age for who? Muslims?, Chinese?, Asoka?, Mayans?, Toltecs?, Khmer?, Ghana?, Mali?, Songhai?, Ethiopia? shit, even Mongols?For that matter even Europe, does Notre Dame, Rheims, St.Pauls, Hagia Sofia, Lindisfarne ring a bell? Not seein' how the Flavian Coliseum, the Circus Maximus, or the Baths of Caracalla are that much more advanced in an architectural sense. How about individual scholarship? I call your hand. I have Bede, Aquinas, Dante, Giotto, Occam. Let's see, Virgil, OK, Livy, OK, Aurelius, well OK since he is from planet Vulcan, wait, what is this? Aristotle and Plato! those dudes are Greek! Judges!Google.Also, your panties are showing.And you want to lecture me about science as well as history of science? Tell me something new, I live to learn new things no matter how insignificant the messenger may feel about the value of the message.Look, LamarkNewAge, I don't consider you as immediately dangerous, as in a traitor, psychopath, religious fanatic, or Trump supporter. What concerns me is your gullibility and complete lack of skepticism. Dude, the term "new age" is in your avatar, among other things.Get thee henceforth to the nearest public library, the cataloging will likely be Dewey. Start at 200 and kill it. Move to 500, kill it, 900 kill it, to stay healthy this MLS recommends after 900 start back at the beginning and read everything you skipped. It cures both dementia and public embarrassment. Now! Wanna dance big boy?

Of course, all large edifices are inherently a scientific driver. Back around 1940 when the Tacoma Narrows Bridge went falling down, the professional engineer who signed off on the project witness their career and salary just as underwater as those bridge parts currently at the bottom of Puget Sound. The money and the power don't give a shit about any "harmonic vibrations," your ass is grass because bridge fall down.Let's take a trip to the past via the wayback machine (I know talking dogs and punk-ass four-eyed ginger brats in high places). Now, lets say you are the main architect, like Imhotep, well, if the pyramid fails, The pharoh isn't going to be interested in any jive-assed angle of repose, and these are the good-old days, so you lose more than a professional license and a high-payin' job. Can you guess what that is? Think it never happened: Attribution: lienyuan leeOk, so now you are the head architect for Notre Dame, Chartes, Hagia Sofia, the King's chateau, whatever. Do you think the king wants to hear about how the soil can't handle the weight? Yeah, if your walls come tumbling down, you best invent the buttress on the spot if you would like to be the one who keeps their head when others lose theirs.Now, that is one hell of a way to encourage the development of science and engineering but, hey, it worked. Mistaking Europe for the World is one.
Claiming science had absolutely no progress in Europe between 500 and 1500 makes two.Both are wrong, that is my point. I understand you exclusively post on a smartphone, so I will take the liberty to assume Ibdiand means Indian. Yes, I mentioned Asoka (304-232 BCE), that was a simple test of reading comprehension, which you passed.I am definitely arguing the Muslims preserved classical works, some through the Byzantines, and maybe a bit from the Desi in India. (as an aside, I prefer using the recent term Desi over Indian or South Asian to avoid any confusion with the term "American Indians.") As which did the most, I say the Muslims because of the documentation but to go into detail would easily take a RAZD-sized effort in a separate post. "Standard historical treatments" apparently means the cutting edge of historical scholarship during the Victorian era, as a lot has happened since WW2 that you seem unfamiliar with. Such as the modern interpretation of Medieval history to name but one. Maybe you should try looking.

No. I support modern historians who use the term Medieval instead of Victorian ones who use the term "dark ages." Victorian historians were extremely Eurocentric overall. Are you claiming they weren't? And where is Cordoba located? Not the Middle East. Well, technically no one prior to the 17th century was doing science as the scientific method was not remotely defined yet. So, I am using architecture, scholarship, and technology, as stand-ins because that's all we have. Crossbows were mainly used by Europeans, Mongols generally used the compound bow.My main point is modern scholarship in the formal study of history does not support any Victorian notion of "dark ages" between 500-1500 CE in Europe.Besides, isn't this thread supposed to be about UFOs? Perhaps conversations about the nature of Medieval history are better handled elsewhere.

Point well taken, and amusing to boot. I prefer primary sources, but yes I can, with all confidence, confirm that secondary-source observation as correct.

Write the book, it's original enough to pass as SciFi, and appeals to a continuously fear-loving and gullible pseudo-Christian audience.

God's parents.

I am a librarian, and librarians don't buy books for themselves because they know they are for free at the library, or if copyright is prior to 1924 or so in the USA, on the internet.Libraries are socialism, bookstores are capitalism.