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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 303 of 895 (885590)
04-19-2021 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by Phat
04-19-2021 11:09 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
The same way you can be so sure that Santa doesn't exist.
Nope. Not even close.
That's a non-response. HOW is there a difference?
Phat writes:
... the real issue is not that I need to be sure that demons exist.
Of course it is. How can you belive that Saldivar is casting out demons if you're not sure that demons exist?
Phat writes:
The REAL issue is whether or not Jesus Christ is alive today and the message that He has eternally told us we need to do.
On the contrary, that has NOTHING do do with whether or not Saldivar is casting out demons.
Phat writes:
Yes, I know that fraud is widespread.
So it is a viable alernative explanation.
Phat writes:
Its not too hard to choose your side now, is it?
There is nothing in what you have posted that would motivate anybody to choose your side. You've backed one liar after another, you can't even articulate their arguments, you repudiate the Bible, you mock evidence....

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 304 of 895 (885591)
04-19-2021 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Phat
04-19-2021 11:13 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:
You keep making this same error lumping the Creator of ALL seen and unseen ino the same group as Leprechauns, Bigfoot's and Santa Claus.
It's not an error. You haven't even tried to show that it's an error. For Christ's sake, SHOW us what the difference is.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
yet you haven't been able to show us one honest one.(Apologist)
I myself hope to be that one.
How can you do that when you refuse to even discuss what they say?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 325 of 895 (885747)
04-25-2021 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 323 by Phat
04-25-2021 10:31 AM


Re: CCoI Writ Large
Phat writes:
I think that the biggest obstacle is Arrogance.
I agree. Arrogance (thinking you're infallible) is your biggest obstacle.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 333 of 895 (885774)
04-26-2021 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 329 by Phat
04-25-2021 3:41 PM


Re: Reasons
Phat writes:
You and ringo do not get to define what judgements the thought police will enforce.
Thought Police? It's YOUR side that puts belief before thought. You yourself have ridiculed thought in this very forum. You're afraid to think about the apologists' lies because it might challenge your precious beliefs. You don't need to worry about your thoughts being policed if you have no thoughts.
Phat writes:
I do not agree with your claim that Christianity causes oppression of mind and spirit. If anything, mind is renewed and spirit comes alive.
Then come alive and discuss the apologists' claims.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 345 of 895 (886327)
05-15-2021 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by Phat
05-15-2021 6:10 PM


Re: The Ten Commandments Of Progressive Christianity
Phat writes:
In the world of EvC there is no "right" belief.
But there are clearly wrong beliefs - flat earth, creationism, etc. And your religious beliefs are pretty clearly wrong because they're self-servingly mafe up in your own head. You openly reject what Jesus said, so you have no business claiming to have the "right" view of Christianity.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 354 of 895 (886346)
05-16-2021 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 346 by Phat
05-16-2021 12:11 AM


Re: The Ten Commandments Of Progressive Christianity
Phat writes:
Perhaps my view is immaturely developed and in that sspirit I agree with you. I have no right.
I'm claiming that neither do any of you. Especially if you believe any of these faux commandments.
You have swallowed the line that those "commandments" are "faux". Discuss them before you dismiss them.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 355 of 895 (886347)
05-16-2021 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 349 by Phat
05-16-2021 1:19 AM


Re: The Ten Commandments Of Progressive Christianity
Phat, quoting some idiot, writes:
The only way that the progressive argument works is if one already "knows" the Bible is not the word of God and therefore can declare all its truth-claims to be dubious.
Wrong.
ALL truth claims are dubious without evidence. Until we have evidence that the Bible is "the word of God", we should be just as dubious as we are about the Book of Mormon.
Phat writes:
So there you have it. Care to discuss any of them?
Yes.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 358 of 895 (886359)
05-16-2021 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 356 by Phat
05-16-2021 3:35 PM


Re: The Ten Commandments Of Progressive Christianity
Phat writes:
So essentially what you are trying to do is take the absolute truth claims of one belief...Historic Christianity...and strip them of their claim to be right...and hang that title instead on "evidence pending" or science.
Yes. That's how thinking works.
Phat writes:
As for the Book of Mormon...it isn't even in the same league with the historic Christian faith.
You're the one who denies the words of Jesus. What you espouse has little to do with the historic Christian faith. What you preach is just right-wing politics.
Phat writes:
A modern cult at best.
You're a textbook example of a cult member. You"re afraid to look at anything that disagrees with your cult's doctrines.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 361 of 895 (886368)
05-17-2021 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 359 by Phat
05-17-2021 4:10 AM


Re: Some Idiot & Some Deity.
Phat writes:
Of course I expect that the lot of you are unimpressed with any scholastic achievement in a reformed theological seminary.
It has nothing to do with scholastic achievement. That would be an argument from authority.
Phat writes:
Perhaps you would listen to some simple guy like "Mr.Deity".
As I have told you before, I don't listen to commentators of any kind.
Phat writes:
Brian Dalton is a former Mormon, or "Formon". He says that some contributing parts of his de-conversion are the tenet of Mormonism that God punishes people by darkening their skin...
Is that any more ludicrous than the tenets that you believe to be absolute truth?
Phat writes:
... and the fact that evidence contradicts various claims of the Book of Mormon.
And evidence contradicts various claims of the Bible.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 366 of 895 (886546)
05-23-2021 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 364 by Phat
05-23-2021 1:16 PM


Re: Some Idiot & Some Deity.
Phat writes:
Otherwise I will be forced to label you as one of *them* who worship the creation and ignore the Creator.
How many times a day do you bow down to Henry Ford or Thomas Edison?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 372 of 895 (886559)
05-23-2021 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 367 by Phat
05-23-2021 2:16 PM


Re: Some Idiot & Some Deity.
Phat writes:
Humans can't create.
That's a copout. You're trying to redefine "create".
Phat writes:
All that we do is recreate (or reassemble) that which has already been created.
Irrelevant. Creation ex nihilo is a made-up concept.
Your claim was that the creator is more important than the creation, which is as silly as your claim that the messenger is more important than the message. You know those things are not true, so why do you keep repeating them?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 380 of 895 (886590)
05-26-2021 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 378 by Phat
05-26-2021 10:49 AM


Re: Some Idiot & Some Deity.
Phat writes:
When did I ever say I knew these concepts were not true?
You didn't. I did.
And I have demonstrated that you know the message is more important than the messenger: You don't throw away your bills and worship the envelopes.
Phat writes:
It is *you* who like to guide and frame the arguments according to your logic and inform me what I must then believe.
Wrong. It is logic that guides and frames the arguments. I have nothing to do with defining logic.
And it's all about pointing out the nonsense that you SHOULDN'T believe.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 382 of 895 (886592)
05-26-2021 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 381 by Phat
05-26-2021 11:09 AM


Re: The Kingdom Of God Is Within You
Phat writes:
You seem to have problems categorizing things in order of importance.
How so? Isn't it bloody obvious that the automobile is more important than Henry Ford?
Phat writes:
Intellectuals back in those days still respected the character of Christ..
.
You don't. How can you respect somebody when you deny His teachings?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 385 of 895 (886595)
05-26-2021 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 383 by Phat
05-26-2021 11:16 AM


Re: Some Idiot & Some Deity.
Phat writes:
Again, one must view these things in context.
There is one God. Not many.
That isn't the context. Message over messenger has nothing to do with the number of gods.
Phat writes:
Loki and the spaghetti monster dont even count.
They count every bit as much as your made-up god. You have never been able to show otherwise.
Phat writes:
Edison was a human inventor...not a Creator of all seen and unseen.
Your "creator of all seen and unseen" is nothing but a bumper-sticker with no basis in reality. You can't use it to try to re-define "creator".
Phat writes:
Envelopes and letters are not even in the same league and context as are Creator and creation.
Yes they are. It's a pretty exact analogy, unless you can show otherwise.
Phat writes:
You insist on relative equivalence.
If you think they're not equivalent, you have to SHOW it, not just deny deny deny.
Phat writes:
I am simply reminding you that you are wrong.
You're making an empty claim. That just underlines the emptiness of your position.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 386 of 895 (886596)
05-26-2021 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 384 by Phat
05-26-2021 11:21 AM


Re: The Kingdom Of God Is Within You
Phat writes:
I talk with the teacher.
And you put yourself above Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Phat writes:
He likely would forgive you for unbelief and would expand upon what was written in the Book.
But will He forgive YOU? According to Matthew 25, He was pretty blunt about people He never knew.
Phat writes:
But go on and follow human logic, reason, and perception.
Human logic, reason and perception are all any of us have.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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