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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And you're putting your version above theirs.
ringo writes:
Nonsense. I respect other men who have done, endured, and learned far more than I have. All I'm saying is that I believe that Jesus is more than the character in the book. And you put yourself above Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Phat writes:
We may all fall short but we don't all try to argue in favor of falling short.
I am not so quick to judge people who ignore what He said, for we all fall short. Phat writes:
It isn't "reminding". It's pointing out that you're flat-out rejectig what Jesus said. It isn't for your benefit. It's to prevent you from leading others astray. Reminding me what the book says is not going to help me suddenly decide to believe without questioning."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
See? You do know what a creator is. I agree largely with the conclusion of the author/creator."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I have read Thomas Paine but I wouldn't call him a source of my ideas. My main takeaway (45 years later) is that people can govern themselves better than some goober across the ocean can govern them. (I'm not sure the US is a good example of that.) I do think there is a trend toward more localized decision- making, contrary to your (wishfully-thinking) fears of One World Government. I was fascinated yet annoyed concerning his theories on religion. It is where many of you got pieces parts of yours."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
Hmm.... It didn't take Him long to cleanse the temple at Jerusalem - just some yelling and whipping and turning over tables, then some curing of the blind and the lame and then He was outta there. He must be slowing down in His old age. Jesus, she said, had started to "cleanse" the heavenly temple, and when he had done that, he would come to start cleansing the Earth."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I know that. My question is why does it take so much longer to cleanse the heavenly temple than the earthly one? And how did the heavenly temple get so messed up in the first place? I think in context they are referring to a Heavenly Temple rather than the earthly one mentioned thousands of years ago in the book."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
First, why are you doing apologetics for SDA doctrines? I have arrived at an apologetic answer. I hope it satisfies the question. Second, the doctrine itself is beyond stupid. Jesus has already returned but he isn't here? Third, your "living stones" idea makes no sense. 1 Peter's living stones are the good ones, not the ones that need cleansing."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You contradict yourself. If the scrubbEE needs time to be scrubbed, then the scrubbER necessarily needs time to do the scrubbing. And that is not very godlike. Tangle writes:
He does not. The Living Stones (us) need time. Why does a god need time to scrub anything?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Haven't you told us that God is "outside of time"? Then how can He take time to do anything?
On the contrary it is extremely godlike, provided that you choose the right one. Phat writes:
Since Loki isn't outside of time, he might take a little longer.
Loki couldn't handle the assignment. Phat writes:
No. The message makes sense. It is impressed on most people's hearts, no matter which god they believe in. Your bills are the same, no matter who delivers them. Clearly, no god is necessary for people to understand the message. Look at how God works on you. You don't even believe that He exists, yet He has impressed upon your heart the truths found in His message."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You answered your own question - by nature. As anglagard suggested more eruditely, it's the way our minds work. We evolved the ability to doubt because it makes us safer in our world. Why must all of you be doubters by nature?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Maybe you should try using the real definition. By my definition, Order equates to a set probability. Chaos is entirely chance."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The reason we define words is so we can understand what other people are talking about. If somebody says "duck", we need to have some inkling of what they mean. Maybe you should explain why the "real" definition is real. So "your" definition of something is meaningless unless everybody understands what that definition is. And in that case, it isn't "your" definition at all; it's "the" definition."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I, on the other hand, get irritated at you because you DON'T challenge what you hear. I get irritated at that old man because he challenges nearly everything I say."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes: How is it you can so confidently dismiss a Creator of all seen and unseen and fall for worshipping a bunch of stars, black holes, galaxies, other universes and more random matter and molten goo...quote: Phat writes:
Stop it. The only one who is trying to avoid accountability is you. Your made-up "Jesus" is supposed to "save" you from accountability. ... that you don't have to be accountable to?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes:
I demand my inalienable old-guy right to yell at the TV. Just because in my old dodderage and depression I talk to things?"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You can disagree till the cows come home. The early church believed it and they were the ones who knew Jesus personally.
I disagree with you that Jesus expected everyone to literally give everything up. Phat writes:
I't's what's holding everybody back. If you keep anything back, even one of your two mites, you're rejecting Jesus' promise to take care of you.
If anything, he went hard on the rich young ruler because money and wealth is what was holding him back. Phat writes:
How do you know they didn't? Remember, in the early church, all goods were owned in common by the members. Before you try to use that magic bullet to disprove what Jesus said, stop and think.
Had Jesus wanted everyone whom He encountered to surrender all of their worldly goods, he would have commanded Mary and Martha to leave their house. Phat writes:
He did. The widow with two mites understood it. The disciples understood it. The early church understood it. The only one it isn't "literal" enough for is you.
He would have emphasized the message more literally to all people. Phat writes:
Why does that bother you when I've explained it to you a dozen times? If there is no hook, why would I be on it? and if you believe there is a hook, why wouldn't you be on it?
It also bothers me why you seem to think you can get off the hook simply by being an unbeliever. Phat writes:
Yes it does. Evidence in and of itself does not determine reality. Yes it does. Yes it does. Evidence is the ONLY thing that determines reality. Period.
Phat writes:
Which is EXACTLY why we need evidence to separate what IS from what seems to be. Jesus may seem real to you but He isn't.
Things are often not as they seem. Phat writes:
Again. I don't. And again, for those who choose not to believe, how is it you can so confidently dismiss a Creator of all seen and unseen? Why don't you read what I write?
Phat writes:
Of course it does.
You seem to think that the origin of all reality comes from humans. Phat writes:
And yet you don't. You keep lying, claiming that I am trying to avoid accountability. Stop it. ringo writes:
It's time we put this distortion to rest once and for all. The only one who is trying to avoid accountability is you. And then you come back every few days with the same old, same old attempt to avoid what Jesus told you to do. Stop it."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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