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Topic: Anti-theist
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 436 of 895 (886697)
05-31-2021 4:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 435 by Tangle
05-31-2021 4:28 PM
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Re: Context
Why does a god need time to scrub anything? He does not. The Living Stones (us) need time. Even now we are being scrubbed through what we go through every day. I suppose one can go fishing and forget about all this superstitious non-sequiter, but they would then cease to be a Living Stone and would simply become a Rolling Stone. 
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 441 of 895 (886711)
06-01-2021 10:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 440 by Percy
06-01-2021 8:46 AM
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Re: Context
Percy writes: Are you doing free association? Maybe. Temples and Stones are synonymous. Jesus was mentioned as the Chief Cornerstone. Ephesians 2:19-20 writes: A Temple in the Lord19Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. 21In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord.…
Acts 17:24 NIV writes: "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. As for why it "takes time" for this "Temple" to be cleansed I can only randomly speculate. (Winging it). I don't usually do serious nor scholarly Bible Studies. If a subject feels right to me, I go with it, as any good apologist would do. People (the future Living Stones) take time to be cleansed...if they in fact are not mere zombies or robots controlled by God but are free willed and thinking beings who are works in progress. Remember that we consider scripture to be divinely inspired, or in my mind intuitive. I'm curious to hear Raphael's explanation of Ellen White and of her wording on the matter. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 442 of 895 (886714)
06-01-2021 10:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 439 by ringo
05-31-2021 6:35 PM
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Stone Temple Pilots
If the scrubbEE needs time to be scrubbed, then the scrubbER necessarily needs time to do the scrubbing. And that is not very godlike. On the contrary it is extremely godlike, provided that you choose the right one. Loki couldn't handle the assignment. Look at how God works on you. You don't even believe that He exists, yet He has impressed upon your heart the truths found in His message. Next, He sends you some bozo like me whom you have to argue with in order to drive home your chosen belief in the validity of the word. In this way, without controlling either one of us, He has initiated understanding and a yearning for clarity in our daily behavior. Two stones of the Temple are thus being cleansed.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 443 of 895 (886715)
06-01-2021 10:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 437 by Tangle
05-31-2021 5:05 PM
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Re: Context
Tangle writes: I really don't know what to say...you're just beyond reason. Perhaps your understanding needs to grow. Perhaps you need to question your secular reasoning and consider allegory and parables as possible clues to insight.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 449 of 895 (886728)
06-02-2021 3:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 444 by Percy
06-01-2021 10:50 AM
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Re: Context
Percy writes: Why are you responding in a way that only reinforces Tangle's point? You're not coming across as someone one can have a rational discussion with right now. Why must all of you be doubters by nature?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Re: DSA & Global Finance. A Real Concern
Here is my obligatory rebuttal. I agree with a lot of what you and dwise1 say in spirit, but am unsure of the practical implications. We can't just ship all of the Right to Africa and strip them of their citizenship. This makes DSA out to be authoritarian and is hardly the only solution.
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1) Tax all combined income, including capital gains, rents, and dividends over $1 million at 50%, Tax all wealth over 1 billion 2% of total per year until none are left.
Won't the wealthy simply take their assets and move to a place of safety? Since they pay the majority of our taxes already, wont that hurt our nation in a practical sense?
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2) Freeze the military budget.
I advocate spending enough to keep the equipment we have now maintained and upgraded as needed. I agree that we spend far too much on the military though I do have concerns with China running the world. Their CCP is hardly compatible with DSA principles, and don't kid yourselves and advocate a one-world humanistic secular order. They will exploit that and supplant us as a global superpower. Unless you don't care whether or not we are.
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3) Take all the White Supremacists and traitor politicians, permanently terminate citizenship, seize all assets, ship to any African nation that will take them in (for a price, I'm sure).
LMFAO but in all seriosness how would we identify such people? What defines traitor? When did DSA themselves become authoritarian? I do not advocate being cultural morality police.
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4) Make all corporate fines payable solely in stock shares, starting with the largest shareholder. 5) Make 20% the minimum corporate tax regardless of loopholes. 6) Tax all non-profit entities as corporations unless at least 80% of the gross goes to the sick, poor, or starving.
I see a theme developing. Conservatives are anti-government and pro-finance. Liberals seemingly trust the government over corporations and the wealthy. Two questions. 1) How will DSA maintain a tax base if they chase off the wealthy? 2) How can we maintain our American Independence and still get along with the globalists?
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Additional Outlays: 1) Medicare for all 2) Guaranteed 10 square meters of living space of 2-meter height, 2500 calories per day, appropriate clothing, heat/AC, water. 3) Free college for all who make progress 4) Minimum wage set at $25/hour including waitstaff and the disabled. 5) Universal Basic Income with what's left.
I have heard some critics complain about UBI. Pros and Cons of Universal Basic Income quote:
Additional Rights: 1) Elimination of capital punishment 2) Absolute equal rights regardless of race, color, creed, national background, gender, or sexual orientation. 3) The right to vote expanded to mail in for a month and one poll worker per 1000 voters. Registration automatic for all citizens over 18. 4) The right to ingest any natural substance such as Cannabis, Kratom, all fungi, Salvia Divinorum, Peyote, Ayahuasca, Coca leaves, and Opium free of any sanction. 5) legal prostitution 6) legal abortion, free contraceptives
I feel that we need to balance rights with responsibilities. Taking care of old codgers like me is a social responsibility. If we divide the pie too many ways, none of us will get much of anything. Lets discuss priorities.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 461 of 895 (886749)
06-04-2021 4:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 420 by Percy
05-29-2021 8:53 AM
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Re: Elvis has left the building.
Tangle writes: The problem with it though is that those that came before were highly superstitious, primitive people, full of magical thinking and storytelling, myth-making, and whacky beliefs. As an oral tradition, it has all of the veracity of a game of telephone. Except that "telephone" works best when the story is unimportant.
Tangle writes: All that is known is written in your book and all of it is hearsay written decades after the supposed events by unknown authors - none of which are witnesses - then redacted and edited for political reasons. Not sure I agree. There was much that was not written down. And we don't know for a fact who wrote what and what they did or did not witness.
Tangle writes: It's a very odd thing to base your life on - those stories not only can't be trusted, but they also don't deserve to be. Are you saying that Jesus does not deserve to be trusted? Name one other figure in History more worthy of our trust. If we can't trust people from our collective past, how can we trust ourselves in the present?
Phat writes: I realize that I cant defend the supernatural as a fact. Percy writes: If not as fact then what will you defend it as? Subjective evidence.
Percy writes: . Science has evidence for what it believes likely true about the real world, religion does not. Science is not alive "it" can say nothing. Only we can interpret the data and say anything. And we can do the same with beliefs. Edited by Admin, : This reply is to two different messages, Tangle's [msg=419] and Percy's [msg=420]. Added names to the quotes.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 464 of 895 (886796)
06-08-2021 9:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 452 by Percy
06-02-2021 7:00 AM
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Re: Context
Percy, addressing my forum behavior writes: You're descending into irrationalism. I sense something going on in your life, no way to know if it's just your own thinking or if you've experienced some event. You've never had the ability to connect ideas to the real world, but now you seem to have dropped into irrationalism. Thanks for noticing. Lets take this one here. Message 16
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 465 of 895 (886967)
06-22-2021 12:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 377 by AZPaul3
05-26-2021 10:09 AM
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Re: Video response
AZ writes: If someone wants something more specific from me they can ask. Yeah where have you been? I'm guessing you are on vacation or involved in a specific project. No time for Sunday sundae sunny sermons as of late.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 467 of 895 (888567)
09-21-2021 6:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 466 by AZPaul3
09-20-2021 9:52 PM
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Creator Of All Seen & Unseen
unseen icy space rocks still originate from a source. Perhaps my question to you is this: Were you given a choice for the labeling of the destruction, would you label "it" as order or chaos? By my definition, Order equates to a set probability. Chaos is entirely chance. Chance is not probable nor improbable. Chance is entirely random. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Edited by Phat, : defining chance vs probability
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Message 469 of 895 (888579)
09-21-2021 4:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 468 by ringo
09-21-2021 12:11 PM
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Re: Creator Of All Seen & Unseen
Maybe you should explain why the "real" definition is real. Maybe you should then elaborate.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 475 of 895 (888605)
09-23-2021 8:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 471 by Percy
09-22-2021 12:53 PM
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Re: Creator Of All Seen & Unseen
Percy writes: Let's analyze this sentence. The first word is "maybe." What does maybe mean? It is only a response to ringos initial "maybe". Perhaps I should have followed up by verifying my definitions. I get irritated at that old man because he challenges nearly everything I say. Maybe (just maybe) he should realize that I am not stupid.
Or maybe you're a very sick puppy. I woke up with moderate blood sugar (188) but realize that it is high overall and needs to be lower. My routine today will include exercise. But allow me to deal with ringo. He makes my blood pressure (not sugar) rise at times, and I feel this compelling urge to argue with him. 
Percy writes: You don't need to answer these questions. I'm just reminding you where your main focus should be. Happy birthday, but let's make sure there's another one. Good advice, Boss.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 482 of 895 (891690)
02-09-2022 12:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 481 by AZPaul3
02-06-2022 1:40 PM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
I suppose I should respect your prayer, but it's pantheism. Just saying. 
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 485 of 895 (891706)
02-09-2022 6:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 483 by AZPaul3
02-09-2022 7:14 AM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
The universe is physical matter. It is not alive nor is it something to be addressed. I suppose the Gaia Earth worshipping cult would disagree. You've just stepped your worship up a notch from Mother Earth. Then again, you knew this would push my buttons, so I won't argue. Existential moment, my arse. How is it you can so confidently dismiss a Creator of all seen and unseen and fall for worshipping a bunch of stars, black holes, galaxies, other universes and more random matter and molten goo that you don't have to be accountable to? Lord Jesus come quickly, please!
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Message 486 of 895 (891708)
02-09-2022 6:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 484 by vimesey
02-09-2022 4:19 PM
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Re: Prayer For The Universe
Perhaps the grand black hole would accept the Donald himself as a worthy sacrifice so that we earth children can play kum ba yah with the universal creatures in the great beyond.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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