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Tangle
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Message 26 of 126 (886313)
05-15-2021 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by marc9000
05-15-2021 3:39 PM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
marc writes:

If atheism has plenty of organization in science (and it does),

There is no such thing as organised atheism. Atheism is just a lack of belief in gods. It's not an institution, it has no organisation, no funding, no structure, no nothing. Atheists are just individuals that individually don't believe what you believe. Or anyone else's other god fantasies. It's a lack, it's not a something. You're railing against a a nothing.

Atheism has nothing to do with science. Science is full of believers of all shapes and sizes. Just as a matter of numbers, science must be populated overwhelmingly by believers. Most of whom you'll disagree with; for religious reasons.

Science was created by creationists ffs. Your enemy is reality not science. It is what it is.

and creationism has plenty of organization in protestant religion, (and it does) where is the organization in all this COMMON non-creation Christianity?

Can't help you with that, it makes no sense to me.


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Message 29 of 126 (886366)
05-17-2021 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by marc9000
05-17-2021 8:13 AM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
marc writes:

Has no one here ever heard of American Atheists?

Well that was 100% predictable. There's a club for trainspotters too. People have hobbies.

Do you think that is in anyway comparable to any religious organisation - even the smallest, daftest Christian cult?

I'm an atheist. About 40% of UK people are non-religious. We have no meeting places, no spires, chants, statues, buildings, offerings, collections, smoke and bells, no policies or catechisms, no actual contact with any other atheists except randomly in the pub in a non-collective act of drinking beer.

Non-religion is NOT an organisation, it's just a non-belief. A very few of us are weird enough to populate boards like this to laugh at you crazies. We occasionally join a campaign to prevent a religiously motivated political intervention that affects us like gay marriage, contraception, abortions, euthanasia, genital mutilation, forced weddings and so on. But mostly our non-belief is irrelevant to us. So no, we are not organised, we're just people.


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Message 37 of 126 (886447)
05-20-2021 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by marc9000
05-19-2021 6:17 PM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
After an extensive search of the USA you found six organisations interested in secularism. Well done.

In my very small, rural village in the UK there are three churches, a religious school and a nunnery. Within 20 miles there will be 100 or so similar. There are 43,000 churches in the UK. Plus mosques, religious schools and seminaries. Christianity is an institution imbedded in our Parliament and funded through tax concessions as charities.

There is nothing even resembling that for the non-religious, there's almost nothing at all except a couple of self-funding interest groups despite 43% of the population being non-religious.

There is no comparison at all.


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Message 40 of 126 (886465)
05-21-2021 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Sarah Bellum
05-20-2021 6:14 PM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
“According to the National Congregational Study Survey, there are an estimated 380,000 churches in the U.S.”

UK population 68m, 43,000 churches = 1 church:1,581 people
USA population 323m, = 1 church: 850 people

Over building churches seems to be a pretty common trait.

I wonder where the nearest structure for the worship of atheism is?


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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 46 of 126 (886473)
05-21-2021 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Phat
05-21-2021 11:10 AM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
Phat writes:

Though you will argue that atheism is not a religion nor an object of worship,

There's no argument, atheism is not a religion - by definition.

humanists are in love with the idea that we determine our destiny and that the collective majority can and will rule.

You're confusing humanism with democracy. I thought that even you supported democracy?

The facts are that we will continue handing out stimulus checks and we will likely end up attempting to inflate our way out of the national debt. Critics claim that the wealthy should and will be taxed for this bill but reality shows me that it is the working class who will feel the sting. A mandatory alms for the poor (who are the only ones with no bill) and as usual the wealthy will skip out of it somehow....or it will be a manageable tax for them.

What's that got to do with atheism?

Theism and Money are closely related.

Oh you bet. the RC church is one of the wealthiest organisations on the planet. They all want your money. Ironic really.

And ringo will use the words of Jesus as an excuse why we should all become poorer.

The words of Jesus are plain. You ignore them because you're not a believer.

You liberals and your progressive Christianity are a scam. I'll never be too greedy to voluntarily donate but I'll be damned if I let government send me the tithing bill.

Wow.


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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 66 of 126 (886524)
05-23-2021 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Raphael
05-22-2021 9:06 PM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
Raphael writes:

The atheist […] believes by faith that no God exists.

That's certainly what believers seem to need to think.

They think that because they can't imagine what a non-belief is. Which is odd because, with the exception of the one god they believe in, they have non-beliefs in all other gods and a zillion other things too. Leprechauns being only one them; usually. You'd think they'd be able to get it, but they just can't.

Atheists are not a collective with a creed, we're just people that are occasionally reminded that there are mad people around us that believe in weird crap. This does NOT mean we have a faith in non-belief. We just don't think about it. It's a non-thing, an absence, a nothing.

You believers have imposed a name on something that we non-believers would not have a name for had you not made up your belief.

Believe what you like, but don't tell me that I have a belief in not believing what you believe. That's self-serving garbage and pig ignorance. You guys won't accept the testimony of atheists about what it is not to belief in what you believe in. You have to believe in belief so you think we do to. Well no we don't. If you care at all about understanding atheism, just accept what we say about it.


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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 68 of 126 (886526)
05-23-2021 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Phat
05-23-2021 6:26 AM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
Phat writes:

Yes we do find it puzzling why you dont even think about what we consider the most important belief in our lives.

Fine, be puzzled about it, just don't say dumb thing like atheism is a faith or a believe.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 70 of 126 (886529)
05-23-2021 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Phat
05-23-2021 6:40 AM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
Phat writes:

I would say that atheism is an observation.

ffs Phat. Atheism is nothing! There's no observation or anything. It's just not a thing at all. It's a label you guys have given us for not believing what you believe.

There is no room for belief as you are never moved by feelings but only facts.

Utter crap. Year after year you say this kind of nonsense. Atheists have no feeling? I feel like punching you in the mouth does that prove it to you?

The question I ask myself is why. Why is God not plainly visible to everybody? Why do I care so much about Him being real to you? How delusional could I be?

Totally deluded, that's how much. But I don't care, just stop telling me what I feel or believe because you haven't the first clue.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 95 of 126 (886805)
06-08-2021 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Phat
06-08-2021 9:46 AM


Re: Non-Creation Christianity
Phat writes:

Adam & Eve were a metaphor [...] and my jury is still out regarding Biblical Literalness.

Clearly your jury has called it non-literal.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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