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LamarkNewAge
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Message 181 of 214 (886795)
06-08-2021 9:53 AM


June 25 is report. Thursday, New York Times reported on leaked working conclusions.
NPR , 3 days ago said that the only certain conclusion, of coming report, is that the objects are not top secret government technology. (The report will falsify the posts here, which argue that this is military research being witnessed)

Elizondo is extremely unhappy, however. He is about to run for congress, as he sees a wet report coming


  
Phat
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Message 182 of 214 (886798)
06-08-2021 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by LamarkNewAge
05-22-2021 12:38 AM


Re: Astronaut John Glenn convinced Democratic leader Harry Reid to take UFOs seriously
LNA writes:

John Glenn said that UFOs were always traveling near him when he went up into space. He said that you knew that you weren't supposed to say anything about it.

I would like to hear Glenn's exact words. This is getting interesting!

So LNA, do you personally believe in UFOs a reality?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 183 of 214 (886799)
06-08-2021 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by AZPaul3
05-22-2021 4:37 AM


Re: Astronaut John Glenn convinced Democratic leader Harry Reid to take UFOs seriously
AZPaul3, addressing LNA writes:

If you're trying to say it's aliens all the way down or something then an introduction of the Alien Ambassador to the world via FOXNews would be helpful. And the schematics for their infinite improbability drive.

The Biblical Christians think that it is quite possible that the antichrist could successfully be introduced as an alien and that this would increase his credibility.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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ringo
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Message 184 of 214 (886804)
06-08-2021 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Phat
06-08-2021 10:12 AM


Re: Astronaut John Glenn convinced Democratic leader Harry Reid to take UFOs seriously
Phat writes:

The Biblical Christians think that it is quite possible that the antichrist could successfully be introduced as an alien and that this would increase his credibility.


I have never heard any Christian of any stripe who "think" that.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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anglagard
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Message 185 of 214 (886806)
06-08-2021 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Phat
06-08-2021 10:12 AM


Re: Astronaut John Glenn convinced Democratic leader Harry Reid to take UFOs seriously
Phat writes:

The Biblical Christians think that it is quite possible that the antichrist could successfully be introduced as an alien and that this would increase his credibility.

Write the book, it's original enough to pass as SciFi, and appeals to a continuously fear-loving and gullible pseudo-Christian audience.


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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FLRW
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Message 186 of 214 (886808)
06-08-2021 4:51 PM


Retired Naval Commander David Fravor was conducting a training mission off the coast of California in 2004 when he saw it — an oblong craft flying erratically through his airspace at incredible speed, maneuvering in a way that defies accepted principles of aerodynamics. Fravor didn't know what to make of it, but said it was not like anything he had ever seen in nearly 20 years of flying.

The wingless object was about 40 feet long and shaped like a Tic Tac, Fravor said. He described it is other-worldly.


  
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Message 187 of 214 (886809)
06-08-2021 4:54 PM


Isn't it possible that since the Universe is a simulation, these objects are just generated by the simulator device?

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Phat
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Message 188 of 214 (886816)
06-10-2021 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by FLRW
06-08-2021 4:54 PM


But who built the device?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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anglagard
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Message 189 of 214 (886817)
06-10-2021 12:44 PM
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06-10-2021 11:23 AM


Phat writes:

But who built the device?

God's parents.


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 190 of 214 (886819)
06-11-2021 1:44 AM


A quote from Carl Sagan is warranted.
In every age and culture, there are those who see past the prejudices of their day, and faithfully record the details. Future generations are in their debt.

  
Phat
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Message 191 of 214 (886820)
06-11-2021 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by ringo
06-08-2021 12:28 PM


Aliens As Demons
Phat writes:

The Biblical Christians think that it is quite possible that the antichrist could successfully be introduced as an alien and that this would increase his credibility.


ringo writes:

I have never heard any Christian of any stripe who "think" that.

You really need to get out more.

Amazon Prime writes:

Are Aliens Demons? Evidences For A Spiritual View
Ancient of Days Conference Filmed on Location in Roswell, New Mexico During the UFO Festival aka "Why Christian Fundamentalists Think Aliens Are Really Demons" This lecture provides an overview of the messages, actions and abilities demonstrated by modern "aliens" with insight into the scriptural and theological arguments that logically support the fallen angel interpretation of the phenomena.



One of many. I already would have lots of competition in the books and/or videos for sale, Anglagard! My comment on the antichrist was my own reasoning. If a man of darkness or perdition or a human infused with evil incarnate (in direct rebellion to Jesus (infused with the power of the One True GOD) were to ever actually exist and show up...what better way to win the hearts and minds of the educated elite than saying he was simply an alien from another place in the physical universe?

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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anglagard
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Message 192 of 214 (886822)
06-11-2021 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Phat
06-11-2021 10:16 AM


Re: Aliens As Demons
Phat writes:

One of many. I already would have lots of competition in the books and/or videos for sale, Anglagard!

I am a librarian, and librarians don't buy books for themselves because they know they are for free at the library, or if copyright is prior to 1924 or so in the USA, on the internet.

Libraries are socialism, bookstores are capitalism.


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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Message 193 of 214 (886825)
06-11-2021 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Phat
06-11-2021 10:16 AM


Re: Aliens As Demons
Doesn't anyone here remember the problems Karellen had in Childhood's End by Arthur Clarke?

Childhood's End - Wikipedia


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 194 of 214 (886826)
06-11-2021 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Phat
06-11-2021 10:16 AM


Re: Aliens As Demons
Guy Malone had a website called " Alien Resistance" about 20 years ago. I haven't seen him speak, but he had to fo a th total reboot about 10+ years ago:

Fundamentalists were angry at him for promoting the book of Enoch. His old site, 20 years ago, had arguments for fragments of the Book of Enoch ( found in Ethiopia, then much late in the Dead Sea Scrolls, in Hebrew and Aramaic) being authentic. His old site used the parallel example of Matthew using Mark Mark plus Q, with fragments of other works.

He did a total reboot by 2010. He became a Sola Scriptura spouting ultra fundi. ( nevermind the fact that Martin Luther was very critical of the "Bible" as we know it).

I talked to him on the phone about 20 years ago. I checked his site around 10 years later ( 2010?) and noticed he deleted his old site, and he said why. His old site violated Sola Scriptura.


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ringo
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Message 195 of 214 (886828)
06-11-2021 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Phat
06-11-2021 10:16 AM


Re: Aliens As Demons
Phat writes:

You really need to get out more.


You really need to read.

You said, "The Biblical Christians think that it is quite possible that the antichrist could successfully be introduced as an alien and that this would increase his credibility."

Then you quoted, "Why Christian Fundamentalists Think Aliens Are Really Demons". Nothing about any antichrist there.

I have met one or two looney-toons who think UFOs are demons. I have never met anybody who thinks the antichrist will be an alien. If you can show that anybody does, go ahead.

Phat writes:

If a man of darkness or perdition or a human infused with evil incarnate (in direct rebellion to Jesus (infused with the power of the One True GOD) were to ever actually exist and show up...


Nobody would be likely to mistake him for Christ.

Phat writes:

...what better way to win the hearts and minds of the educated elite than saying he was simply an alien from another place in the physical universe?


A better way would be to pose as a Christian.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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