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anglagard
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Message 451 of 465 (886730)
06-02-2021 5:13 AM
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06-02-2021 3:40 AM


P's First, Q's Later
Phat writes:

Why must all of you be doubters by nature?

1) Primate heritage
2) Prefrontal cortex
3) Philosophy
4) Psychology
5) Personal preference

Would you prefer I start with another letter?


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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Message 452 of 465 (886733)
06-02-2021 7:00 AM
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Re: Context
Phat writes:

Percy writes:

Why are you responding in a way that only reinforces Tangle's point? You're not coming across as someone one can have a rational discussion with right now.

Why must all of you be doubters by nature?

There is no doubt you've been speaking nonsense. If your goal is persuasion, drop the daft commentary. People don't usually think, "His crazy talk has convinced me!"

You're descending into irrationalism. I sense something going on in your life, no way to know if it's just your own thinking or if you've experienced some event. You've never had the ability to connect ideas to the real world, but now you seem to have dropped into irrationalism.

Figuring out what is true is not a matter of choosing who to believe or what story to believe. It's a matter of gathering and examining the facts.

--Percy


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Message 453 of 465 (886734)
06-02-2021 12:10 PM
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06-02-2021 3:40 AM


Re: Context
Phat writes:

Why must all of you be doubters by nature?


You answered your own question - by nature. As anglagard suggested more eruditely, it's the way our minds work. We evolved the ability to doubt because it makes us safer in our world.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 454 of 465 (886736)
06-02-2021 1:07 PM
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06-02-2021 1:10 AM


Re: The Knowledge of Jesus is Available to All
Generally, scholarship in history means one is allowed to speak of a person they never personally met, which seems to be PaulK's standard for existence, Hey, you kids in grammar school, because you did not personally meet Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, or Lincoln you don't personally know they ever existed, therefore you are not allowed to comment on anything they supposedly did.

And even then, it's not the personage itself, but rather the legend attached to those persons that they learn and discuss.

I tried to make the point before. I think it was supposed to have been C.S. Lewis who came up with this (and Jack Chick used it as the title of one of his tracts -- demonstrated to be worthless when I found several left in the stalls of a public restroom, because each page was too small to use as TP like pages out of an old Sears & Roebuck catalog (someone once told me how to prep those S&R pages for proper use). The claim is that Jesus made these claims, so what was he? Liar, Lunatic, or Lord? The most important "L" they left out of that was "Legend" It's almost never the person who is talked about or studied or held up as inspiration, but rather the legend based on that person even when it has nothing to do with that person -- for example, there's that portrait of Trump in a shirtless Rambo pose replete with rippling muscles. And every person depicted in a bio-pic has been transformed into a legend just by that very process.

Legends don't even have to be based on actual people. Consider inspiring legends like Spock and Steve Rogers (Captain America), both of whom are fictional characters (sorry, folks, they aren't real).

So legends function the same and serve the same purpose regardless of whether the person they're based on ever existed or not. And we have seen over and over again that a legend can be created overnight.

So was there ever an actual historical Jesus? Who cares? It doesn't matter! It never has mattered!


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Message 455 of 465 (886737)
06-02-2021 1:31 PM
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06-02-2021 1:07 PM


Re: The Knowledge of Jesus is Available to All
Indeed, even in a British school I encountered the fictitious story of George Washington and the cherry tree.

Anglagard’s strawman (it bears no resemblance to anything I claimed) doesn’t even work well as an argument.


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Message 456 of 465 (886738)
06-02-2021 1:47 PM
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Re: Context
Why must all of you be doubters by nature?

In the creation/evolution sector of my web site, I quote from memory a former governor of Mississippi I heard on NPR one day around 1990 or so as he was defending his push for improving education:

quote:
We know that ignorance doesn't work, because we've already tried it!

This also keeps reminding me of the Bond novel, The Spy Who Loved Me, in which Ian Fleming departed from his usual style by telling the story as a first person narrative through a young woman who is rescued from a life-threatening situation (gang of criminals taking over the isolated motel where she worked) by a British stranger (Bond, of course). When she lost her virginity, the winning argument was literally, "Be a sport."

So, you are asking why we don't just "be a sport" and try ignorance yet again. Really?

Which reminds me of an acronym in the Naval Terminology FAQ (NavTermFaq):

quote:
BOHICA - Acronym for "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again."

Have you ever read the Bible? 1 Thessalonians 5:21 in particular? From the KJV:

quote:
5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The Bible tells us to be skeptical, to be doubters, until we have tested (the word used in other translations) and proven what we are being told.

So your position is to ignore the Bible?


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anglagard
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Message 457 of 465 (886739)
06-02-2021 3:42 PM
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05-30-2021 9:31 AM


Re: DSA & Global Finance. A Real Concern
Phat writes:

My question to you is this: Were the DSA in power, what would they do to skillfully wind down the problems caused by government and the wealthy and money in general? What would the average man on the street end up with? Better or worse than what we have now?

Income adjustments:

1) Tax all combined income, including capital gains, rents, and dividends over $1 million at 50%, Tax all wealth over 1 billion 2% of total per year until none are left.

2) Freeze the military budget.

3) Take all the White Supremacists and traitor politicians, permanently terminate citizenship, seize all assets, ship to any African nation that will take them in (for a price, I'm sure).

4) Make all corporate fines payable solely in stock shares, starting with the largest shareholder.

5) Make 20% the minimum corporate tax regardless of loopholes.

6) Tax all non-profit entities as corporations unless at least 80% of the gross goes to the sick, poor, or starving.

Additional Outlays:

1) Medicare for all

2) Guaranteed 10 square meters of living space of 2 meter height, 2500 calories per day, appropriate clothing, heat/AC, water.

3) Free college for all who make progress

4) Minimum wage set at $25/hour including waitstaff and the disabled.

5) Universal Basic Income with what's left.

Additional Rights:

1) Elimination of capital punishment

2) Absolute equal rights regardless of race, color, creed, national background, gender, or sexual orientation.

3) The right to vote expanded to mail in for a month and one poll worker per 1000 voters. Registration automatic for all citizens over 18.

4) The right to ingest any natural substance such as Cannabis, Kratom, all fungi, Salvia Divinorum, Peyote, Ayahuasca, Coca leaves, and Opium free of any sanction.

5) legal prostitution

6) legal abortion, free contraceptives

I'm sure I forgot a bunch but you get the gist.


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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Message 458 of 465 (886744)
06-03-2021 9:04 AM
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06-02-2021 3:42 PM


Re: DSA & Global Finance. A Real Concern
Here is my obligatory rebuttal. I agree with a lot of what you and dwise1 say in spirit, but am unsure of the practical implications. We can't just ship all of the Right to Africa and strip them of their citizenship. This makes DSA out to be authoritarian and is hardly the only solution.

quote:
1) Tax all combined income, including capital gains, rents, and dividends over $1 million at 50%, Tax all wealth over 1 billion 2% of total per year until none are left.
Won't the wealthy simply take their assets and move to a place of safety? Since they pay the majority of our taxes already, wont that hurt our nation in a practical sense?

quote:
2) Freeze the military budget.
I advocate spending enough to keep the equipment we have now maintained and upgraded as needed. I agree that we spend far too much on the military though I do have concerns with China running the world. Their CCP is hardly compatible with DSA principles, and don't kid yourselves and advocate a one-world humanistic secular order. They will exploit that and supplant us as a global superpower. Unless you don't care whether or not we are.

quote:
3) Take all the White Supremacists and traitor politicians, permanently terminate citizenship, seize all assets, ship to any African nation that will take them in (for a price, I'm sure).
LMFAO but in all seriosness how would we identify such people? What defines traitor? When did DSA themselves become authoritarian? I do not advocate being cultural morality police.

quote:
4) Make all corporate fines payable solely in stock shares, starting with the largest shareholder.

5) Make 20% the minimum corporate tax regardless of loopholes.

6) Tax all non-profit entities as corporations unless at least 80% of the gross goes to the sick, poor, or starving.


I see a theme developing. Conservatives are anti-government and pro-finance. Liberals seemingly trust the government over corporations and the wealthy. Two questions. 1) How will DSA maintain a tax base if they chase off the wealthy? 2) How can we maintain our American Independence and still get along with the globalists?

quote:
Additional Outlays:

1) Medicare for all

2) Guaranteed 10 square meters of living space of 2-meter height, 2500 calories per day, appropriate clothing, heat/AC, water.

3) Free college for all who make progress

4) Minimum wage set at $25/hour including waitstaff and the disabled.

5) Universal Basic Income with what's left.


I have heard some critics complain about UBI.Pros and Cons of Universal Basic Income

quote:
Additional Rights:

1) Elimination of capital punishment

2) Absolute equal rights regardless of race, color, creed, national background, gender, or sexual orientation.

3) The right to vote expanded to mail in for a month and one poll worker per 1000 voters. Registration automatic for all citizens over 18.

4) The right to ingest any natural substance such as Cannabis, Kratom, all fungi, Salvia Divinorum, Peyote, Ayahuasca, Coca leaves, and Opium free of any sanction.

5) legal prostitution

6) legal abortion, free contraceptives


I feel that we need to balance rights with responsibilities. Taking care of old codgers like me is a social responsibility. If we divide the pie too many ways, none of us will get much of anything. Lets discuss priorities.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Percy
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Message 459 of 465 (886746)
06-03-2021 3:51 PM
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06-03-2021 9:04 AM


Re: DSA & Global Finance. A Real Concern
Phat writes:

Won't the wealthy simply take their assets and move to a place of safety? Since they pay the majority of our taxes already, wont that hurt our nation in a practical sense?

The top 1% of income earners pay 38% of all taxes, but that represents only 26.8% of their income. Your average 1%-er who nets a million dollars annually pays $268,000 in taxes, but the 1%-ers get to take advantage of all kinds advantageous tax breaks and loopholes. That million dollar net could easily have been a couple or three million dollars gross.

Let's do a comparison. The average wage earner gets to take the standard deduction, around $25,000 for a married couple. If together they earn $100,000 then after the standard deduction their taxable income is already down to $75,000. Sounds pretty good, right?

But s 1%-er taking advantage of lucrative tax breaks and loopholes might earn $3 million but pay taxes on only $1 million. He's paying 26.8% of his net million dollar income, but only 8.9% of the $3 million gross income. He's not paying taxes on $2 million of his income. That's, in effect, a $2 million dollar tax deduction. How do you feel about that $25,000 standard deduction now?

Corporations get their own tax breaks. Here's a list of 55 large corporations that paid no taxes last year, among them FedEx, Hewlett-Packard and Nike.

--Percy


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Message 460 of 465 (886747)
06-03-2021 5:16 PM
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06-03-2021 9:04 AM


Re: DSA & Global Finance. A Real Concern
We can't just ship all of the Right to Africa and strip them of their citizenship.

Why to Africa? To be extra mean by making them a very small minority in a region with a very large black majority? Are you projecting your own serious malicious streak onto us? Just ship them out to Missisloppy or somewhere in Texas and let them form their own separate country all by their lonesome, since they don't want to even try to get along with anybody else.

I agree with a lot of what you and dwise1 say in spirit, but am unsure of the practical implications.

Huh? I just reviewed my messages in this topic and couldn't find myself advocating any kind of economic system. Maybe I missed something. Could you please point out my messages that you are talking about? And what you understand me to have said, please.

quote:
2) Freeze the military budget.
I advocate spending enough to keep the equipment we have now maintained and upgraded as needed. I agree that we spend far too much on the military though I do have concerns with China running the world. Their CCP is hardly compatible with DSA principles, and don't kid yourselves and advocate a one-world humanistic secular order. They will exploit that and supplant us as a global superpower. Unless you don't care whether or not we are.

Please refer to Robert Reich's video, Where Your Tax Dollars Really Go (I have linked to it more than once in this forum):

Basically, military spending accounts for a bit more than half of the federal government's discretionary spending, about 51%, whereas all the "welfare" programs that the GQP wants to balance our budget on the backs of account for a small percentage of the budget (about 10% by rough guestimate from my memory of that video -- I'm currently multitasking in the middle of an online class). Furthermore, only a small part of that military budget actually goes to the military itself while most of it goes to defense contractors.

So freezing the military budget (which I interpret as holding it at current levels and not allowing it to be increased) would have no effect on the operational and logistical budgets for the military, but rather would only affect the defense contractors. Except, of course, the GQP would cut funds for military operations and divert them to the contractors and then complain how the military is being starved by that freeze. Not unlike Trump's own diversion of defense funding from the military in order to fund his border wall which is not quite literally falling flat to the ground -- BTW, in response to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine Obama allocated funds to bolster NATO's defensive capabilities against Russian aggression, all of which Trump took away for his wall (and at the same time kissing Putin's жопа (Russian for "ass", though it might more specifically refer to the rectum which I assume is somewhat more intimate) ).

As a veteran (35 years of honorable service), I do support national defense. Our experience of the Trump Administration was that of watching national defense getting flushed down the toilet while Trump was handing to Putin and Russia everything they wanted.

Their CCP ...

Sorry, but I cannot help but misread that every time I see it. I assume you mean "Chinese Communist Party", but I keep seeing the Cyrillic abbreviation for "Soviet Socialist Republic". Guess my mind must be too highly trained (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference for those who know where their towel is).

quote:
3) Take all the White Supremacists and traitor politicians, permanently terminate citizenship, seize all assets, ship to any African nation that will take them in (for a price, I'm sure).
LMFAO but in all seriosness how would we identify such people? What defines traitor? When did DSA themselves become authoritarian? I do not advocate being cultural morality police.

Well, Trump himself didn't call for terminating a traitor's citizenship, etc (OK so there is where you had gotten that "ship them out to Africa" idea). Instead, he explicitly called for their execution -- refer to his "we used to know what to do with traitors" which referred to capital punishment. I guess that does terminate the traitors' entire status and permanently froze the traitors' assets from their own personal use (no person, no personal use ).

The problem is in the legal definition of treason, which I understand to require the existence of an actual state of war.

However, we are indeed under attack by Russia who have interfered in our elections and whose hackers are attacking our infrastructure, so even though there is no actual formal declaration of war there is a de facto condition of warfare.

How to define a traitor? How's about someone who violently attacks a government body (ie, Congress, both houses) for the purpose of preventing them from performing their Constitutional duties and in order to effect the violent overthrow of the legitimate government of the United States of America. Would that begin to qualify as treason?

I'm not necessarily advocating their execution, but they must be brought to justice and made to pay for their crimes against our country. BTW, that will include every single member of Congress who had aided and abetted them (eg, those who signed them in for their pre-attack recon tours and perhaps had even led those recon tours, those who had sabotaged the alarm systems in the offices of targeted Democratic members of Congress, those who telephoned out reports of the movements of targeted members of Congress and of the Vice President who was explicitly targeted for lynching.

Legalistic weaseling aside, any normal person could not look at those acts and fail to recognize them as traitorous. But then nearly all the normals have been purged from the GQP, haven't they?

 
ABE:

I forgot to mention this. When you enlist in the military and when you apply for a security clearance or get your clearance updated (happens periodically), you have to affirm that you do not belong to any organization that advocates the overthrow of the US government -- it's been decades, but I'm pretty sure that includes affirming that you yourself do not advocate sedition or insurrection.

Obviously, participation in the 06 Jan insurrection would qualify as sedition and insurrection and so you would not be able to make those affirmations. Also, membership in the organizations that were involved (eg, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys) would similarly disqualify you from being able to sign that affirmation. The organizations advocating the overthrow of the government has expanded to include Q-Anon and now, arguably, even the Republican Party (GQP)!

The rioters included military veterans and retired police and firemen, but also off-duty police and firemen and I'm pretty sure I've heard of some off-duty military members having been there too. And there were members of state governments among the rioters. And inside the Capitol building there were members of Congress and/or staff aiding and abetting the insurrection as I described above -- that is a key reason why an investigation is absolutely needed and a good explanation for why the Republicans are so strongly opposed to an investigation (after all, if AntiFa was really involved as they keep claiming, then they should be first in line to support an investigation). And there were phone calls between Oath Keepers and somebody in the White House. ?And the cherry on top of that is Gen Flynn (ret) openly calling for a military coup.

So what to do about them? I say "investigate and prosecute appropriately." While we non-lawyers can clearly see them to have committed treason, when you indict somebody for a crime it must be according to the legal definition of that crime. If we try to indict somebody for the crime of treason, then his actions had to fit the legal definition of treason. To my knowledge, the legal definition of treason is that it must be during time of war. Hence, any attempt to charge them with treason would fail.

However, there are still other crimes, including sedition and insurrection, which definitely do apply here. Not only would conviction for sedition or insurrection carry penalties (including prison), but the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits anyone guilty of sedition or insurrection from holding any government office. And engaging in sedition or insurrection would also violate a military member's terms of enlistment as well as to disqualify anyone holding a security clearance.

So you asked what should be done with these reprobates. Follow due process to investigate, indict, prosecute, and incarcerate them. Yank their security clearances immediately pending adjudication -- standing procedure whenever any kind of negative information arises. Military members need to be handled under the UCMJ, possibly leading to courtmartial and dishonorable discharge. People have been calling for Flynn to be courtmartialed and to lose his pension. I'm not sure exactly what the status of retired officers is; I think that they are kept on the rolls and can be recalled to duty at any time, so he might still be subject to the UCMJ. Non-citizens found guilty should be deported.

Edited by dwise1, : ABE


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Message 461 of 465 (886749)
06-04-2021 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 420 by Percy
05-29-2021 8:53 AM


Re: Elvis has left the building.
Tangle writes:

The problem with it though is that those that came before were highly superstitious, primitive people, full of magical thinking and storytelling, myth-making, and whacky beliefs. As an oral tradition, it has all of the veracity of a game of telephone.

Except that "telephone" works best when the story is unimportant.
Tangle writes:

All that is known is written in your book and all of it is hearsay written decades after the supposed events by unknown authors - none of which are witnesses - then redacted and edited for political reasons.

Not sure I agree. There was much that was not written down. And we don't know for a fact who wrote what and what they did or did not witness.
Tangle writes:

It's a very odd thing to base your life on - those stories not only can't be trusted, but they also don't deserve to be.

Are you saying that Jesus does not deserve to be trusted? Name one other figure in History more worthy of our trust. If we can't trust people from our collective past, how can we trust ourselves in the present?

Phat writes:

I realize that I cant defend the supernatural as a fact.

Percy writes:

If not as fact then what will you defend it as?

Subjective evidence.

Percy writes:

. Science has evidence for what it believes likely true about the real world, religion does not.

Science is not alive "it" can say nothing. Only we can interpret the data and say anything. And we can do the same with beliefs.

Edited by Admin, : This reply is to two different messages, Tangle's [msg=419] and Percy's [msg=420]. Added names to the quotes.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 462 of 465 (886750)
06-04-2021 5:41 PM
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Re: Elvis has left the building.
Phat writes:

Except that "telephone" works best when the story is unimportant.

That was me, not Percy and I assume you meant important not unimportant?

Important or otherwise, to work even at all, it needs to be short - like 5 words short. A book really doesn't do it.

There was much that was not written down. And we don't know for a fact who wrote what and what they did or did not witness.

Bit of a problem that, you have a single book of plagiarised stories by anonymous authors who didn't witness anything yet you're now implying we should give added credence to what is not written - of which we have entirely zero knowledge?

Are you saying that Jesus does not deserve to be trusted?

How can an imaginary figure be trusted? Do you trust Bilbo?

Name one other figure in History more worthy of our trust.

I'd go for my dad.

how can we trust ourselves in the present?

Does that question make sense to you? Can you explain it?
What are our other options?

Science is not alive "it" can say nothing.

Of course it can't, science is a process not a person, what's that got to do with anything at all?

Only we can interpret the data and say anything. And we can do the same with beliefs.

Right, show me the data that you processed for god.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 463 of 465 (886751)
06-05-2021 7:44 AM
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Re: Elvis has left the building.
Not even wrong.

--Percy


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Message 464 of 465 (886796)
06-08-2021 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by Percy
06-02-2021 7:00 AM


Re: Context
Percy, addressing my forum behavior writes:

You're descending into irrationalism. I sense something going on in your life, no way to know if it's just your own thinking or if you've experienced some event. You've never had the ability to connect ideas to the real world, but now you seem to have dropped into irrationalism.

Thanks for noticing. Lets take this one here. Message 16

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 465 of 465 (886967)
06-22-2021 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 377 by AZPaul3
05-26-2021 10:09 AM


Re: Video response
AZ writes:

If someone wants something more specific from me they can ask.

Yeah where have you been? I'm guessing you are on vacation or involved in a specific project. No time for Sunday sundae sunny sermons as of late.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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