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Phat
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Message 16 of 171 (880000)
07-27-2020 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by coffee_addict
04-24-2020 7:58 PM


Re: Phats Online Diary Unplugged
Im finally disciplined enough to make another run at fat adaptation. This time it is primarily for spiritual reasons and health reasons. My legs are swollen and the doctor tells me to go low Carb...but it isn't easy.

Day one was Sunday. The experts say that it will take me up to 4 days of low Carb(20 to 40 grams of carb/sugar maximum daily) to achieve fat adaptation and up to 3-6 weeks to achieve full Ketogenic adaptation. I'm determined to the point of obsession...I need to regain control of my health. Once I switch back to burning fat mainly, I will balance my diet with vegetables, less meat and more nuts. Watch how nutty I get when my ketone fueled brain starts extrapolating spirituality.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Phat
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Message 17 of 171 (880023)
07-28-2020 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by coffee_addict
04-24-2020 9:28 AM


Re: Health progress?
Hi Lammy! Yes I can say that progress is slow but is again happening. Note that it took over 3 months from when you made this post Message 11 before you are now hearing back from me. I am on Day#3 of my Lo-Carb/Intermittent Fasting plan, and am noticing some positive change. Here is a video that I made 2 weeks ago when I just read that book, 3 Theories Of Everything by Ellis Potter.
Note several things.
1) I am scatterbrained and, though apparently trying to "be intellectual" am having dissociative rambling thoughts. The typical Hi Carb diet which I am on a majority of my life is unhealthy and in fact destructive to me. Also note how messed up my apartment is behind me. My legs were swollen, my energy was being propped up by caffeine and the sugar-based diet that was wrecking my health.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Phat
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Message 18 of 171 (886797)
06-08-2021 10:02 AM


The Pandemic Accelerated My Health Problems
Percy, addressing my forum behavior writes:

You're descending into irrationalism. I sense something going on in your life, no way to know if it's just your own thinking or if you've experienced some event. You've never had the ability to connect ideas to the real world, but now you seem to have dropped into irrationalism.

In 2020, I basically stopped exercising, no longer tried to correct my health, and wore masks and gloves every day... thank God I was still working. In early 2021, I began getting blisters on my legs. I was sent to the hospital outpatient services...Porter Adventist Wound Care

Again...thank God for health insurance. Thats all I have to say. I am in a fight with twenty years of progressive diabetes. Perhaps this all contributes to my rants and attitudes here at EvC.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 19 of 171 (886813)
06-09-2021 7:46 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
06-08-2021 10:02 AM


Re: The Pandemic Accelerated My Health Problems
The diet you described in Message 16 has some good aspects, like decreasing your carbohydrate intake, hopefully with emphasis on eliiminating simple carbohydrates, but it sounds like one of the variants of a keto diet, which are all fad diets. You're looking for a magic bullet. There isn't one. All diet programs are failures.

The long term success rate of diets in the general population is 10-20%. Under most circumstances such a low success rate would be the death knell and people would abandon them in droves, but many Americans are desperate to lose weight, and so the diet industry has been with us for a long time and will continue to be so, regularly introducing new appealingly packaged diet programs accompanied by food products you can order online or even find in your grocery store.

Terms like fat adaptation and achieving ketosis to burn fat is terminology used by diet quacks to sound plausible and scientific. If you're not seeing an MD then you're seeing a quack, though even some MD's are quacks - Trump's doctor from before his election was a quack. The White House physician Ronny Jackson adopted some quacky qualities over time, perhaps influenced by his increasing use of alcohol and pills.

The best diet advice is from Michal Pollan: "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants." Inherent in his advice is to avoid processed foods (that means avoid most aisles in the grocery store).

Your issues sound persistent and of longstanding. I think Metformin would be inadequate for you, though it's probably worth a try if you haven't tried it already. When metformin doesn't work then the next thing to consider is semaglutide. You would take it under the care of a medical specialist, usually a specialist in diabetes. A responsible MD will prefer to use it with those already eating right and getting regular exercise because semaglutide is only an assist (a powerful one) for achieving a healthy weight and better numbers on the standard blood panel. It cannot by itself make metabolic syndrome or diabetes go away. Semaglutide is approved by the FDA for treatment of diabetes, and from what you say you're a valid candidate for it, but if not you need to find an MD willing to go off-label and prescribe semaglutide for weight loss. The FDA is on the cusp of approving a higher dosage version of semaglutide for weight loss, if they haven't already. Cost is around $800/month, you'll need your insurance.

--Percy


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Phat
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Message 20 of 171 (886968)
06-22-2021 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Percy
06-09-2021 7:46 AM


Re: The Pandemic Accelerated My Health Problems
Percy writes:

If you're not seeing an MD then you're seeing a quack, though even some MD's are quacks - Trump's doctor from before his election was a quack. The White House physician Ronny Jackson adopted some quacky qualities over time, perhaps influenced by his increasing use of alcohol and pills.

I'll let you be the judge of whether my Doctor (who has the trademark Denvers Diet Doctor is a quack or not.
Denvers Diet Doctor

Of course, in my mind, he is a sound physician. He jumped on the low carb bandwagon to gain business, but he is quite capable of traditional medicinal approaches to health and is smart enough to not follow fads (nor lead them). People do that on their own!

My last A1C was 11! I really have a lot to do to improve my health, and am working on it now as we speak. Stay tuned....you all know I love talking about myself as it is a bit therapeutic for me. Through honesty and hard work, I will make my way back.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 21 of 171 (886981)
06-23-2021 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Phat
06-22-2021 1:05 PM


Re: The Pandemic Accelerated My Health Problems
Phat writes:

My last A1C was 11!

That equates to a blood sugar of around 270, a very dangerous level. You're at high risk for complications like heart disease, neuropathy, kidney damage or failure, vision damage or even blindness, and vascular cognitive impairment.

That last one, vascular cognitive impairment, would explain the gibberish you've been posting recently. I assume friends and coworkers are beginning to give you odd looks after you speak or do something. I assume your life is becoming increasingly chaotic as you become less and less able to manage the routine activities of daily life, such as taking medicine, buying groceries, doing laundry, preparing meals, paying bills, etc.

Three years ago your A1C% was 7. That it's now 11 means you're not even trying. I'm guessing you've let your weight balloon, you're probably above 230 now. If you were following any legitimate diet at all your A1C would not be anywhere near 11. You may be in a mental state that makes it difficult to reliably follow a diet or medical directions.

You didn't answer my questions. The one about metformin is irrelevant now - an A1C% of 11 is way beyond what metformin is appropriate for.

At an A1C% of 11 you must be on insulin. If you're not get on it immediately.

I don't know if semaglutide is appropriate at your A1C% level, you'd have to seek medical advice.

About your doctor, is he the one who talked about "full ketogenic adaptation"? The one under whose care your A1C% has risen to 11? If so then run, don't walk, to a highly respected diabetes center. Possibilities are the Barbara Davis Center for Diabetes or the UCHealth Diabetes and Endocrinology Clinic, but there must be many high quality providers in the Denver area.

--Percy


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Message 22 of 171 (887001)
06-27-2021 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Percy
06-23-2021 9:22 AM


Re: The Pandemic Accelerated My Health Problems
Percy writes:

hat equates to a blood sugar of around 270, a very dangerous level. You're at high risk for complications like heart disease, neuropathy, kidney damage or failure, vision damage or even blindness, and vascular cognitive impairment.

Unfortunately, that explains a lot, including recent cognitive decline.

Phat, diabetes is not a game, Left untreated, I estimate your life will be over in a matter of months, not years. My wife did not take her diabetes seriously and died at 56 back in 2012. The head RN at the doctor's office chewed her out for not doing so less than 6 months earlier, but was ignored.

Is that the path you wish to take?


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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Phat
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Message 23 of 171 (887009)
06-28-2021 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by anglagard
06-27-2021 6:56 PM


Re: The Pandemic Accelerated My Health Problems
anglagard writes:

Is that the path you wish to take?

No. I realize I am in a fight for my life.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 24 of 171 (887123)
07-11-2021 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by anglagard
06-27-2021 6:56 PM


Re: The Pandemic Accelerated My Health Problems
To re-emphasize. Type 2 is no joke at all.

What most people don't know is type 2 is 100% curable/reversible. I am the living proof of this.

All it really takes to reverse type 2 is the will to do so. i do not say this lightly as I understand most people tend to get comfortable with their chronic conditions and aren't that motivated to change.


If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Phat
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Message 25 of 171 (887213)
07-25-2021 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by coffee_addict
07-11-2021 10:40 PM


Getting Plugged Back In
My Health Problems are improving.

This morning, I attended the Zoom Bible class from my sister's church. I thought of many of you when the Reverand concluded the lesson with the following short video(2 minutes long). It basically says it all.

Edited by Phat, : subtitle


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 26 of 171 (887215)
07-25-2021 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Phat
07-25-2021 11:11 AM


Re: Getting Plugged Back In
Phat writes:

It basically says it all.


It says nothing. Tell us what it says.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 27 of 171 (887220)
07-26-2021 3:22 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by ringo
07-25-2021 3:27 PM


Re: Getting Plugged Back In
Ringo writes:

It says nothing. Tell us what it says.

I resisted watching it, I mean why would an atheist watch a video about 'love' and the 'holy bible' promoted by a fundie loonie?

But it was short, I was bored and I need to hear what these poor deluded people are being indoctrinated with from time to time.

It's just about Jesus being love and instead of all the deluded meeting together they need to go out into the world and recruit more deluded people into their mad cult.

Same old stuff.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 28 of 171 (887221)
07-26-2021 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Tangle
07-26-2021 3:22 AM


Untangling a bored fisherman
I resisted watching it, I mean why would an atheist watch a video about 'love' and the 'holy bible' promoted by a fundie loonie?
So who is this loonie, again? You really need a short lecture.

1) GOD, the creative energy/force/Deity of the universe (yes, its a belief, and it's not a farfetched probability) chose to relate to the main species on this planet (humans) by infusing Himself into our culture at one specific point in time. Sorry, Richard Carrier. You are WRONG. Dawkins? Keep doing what you do best. I like your humor but am amazed such a brilliant mind cant contemplate the obvious. Tangle you have every right to be an atheist, confront me when bored, and spout your logic defending your stance. Yes, I would love to go fishing with you in some life and time. As for the Loon, it isn't I. I am every bit as smart as anyone at this forum and will prove it if a neutral third party gives us an IQ test. Though some of my ideas are daft, I'll bet the farm that I'm right about the gold and silver and an eventual dollar collapse within ten years. As for Jesus? He loves you even if you don't believe in Him and He is still working on me. [/end lecture]


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 29 of 171 (887222)
07-26-2021 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by ringo
07-25-2021 3:27 PM


Re: Getting Plugged Back In
It says just what you always say. It emphasizes both the message and the messenger. Got any problems with it, oh Saskatchewanian Contrarian?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 30 of 171 (887223)
07-26-2021 3:55 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by anglagard
06-27-2021 6:56 PM


Re: The Pandemic Accelerated My Health Problems
I really am taking better care of myself and of all of the ones here warning me, your message and concern stood out.. Thanks.

And I really do need to read Matthew. I wanted to see if I could learn anything...though I don't really think Sanders is ever gonna get his way in this polarized country.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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