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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
It says just what you always say. It emphasizes both the message and the messenger. Got any problems with it, oh Saskatchewanian Contrarian?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
I really am taking better care of myself and of all of the ones here warning me, your message and concern stood out.. Thanks.
And I really do need to read Matthew. I wanted to see if I could learn anything...though I don't really think Sanders is ever gonna get his way in this polarized country."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
GDR writes: So are you ok? I and everyone here sure hope so. I just noticed how long you have been gone!!! Do at least let us know you are ok, we understand if you are too busy to post. I don't want to be the last Christian standing around here."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
ringo writes: So? There are a thousand Basketball players but only one Michael Jordan. There are a thousand Hockey Players but only one Bobby Orr. Or Wayne Gretsky. Or Gordie Howe. To put it in human terms, Jesus was the Wayne Gretsky of Messengers. And he delivered his message as near perfect as a human could do on the ice. I don't emphasize the messenger. There are a thousand messengers."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Ahhh I see where you are going! Thanks a lot, ringo...you really DO get me to think. (once in a while) If I hear you correctly, you are telling me that if I really DID have the guts to "bet the farm" I would sell everything I have and invest it in helping others just as Jesus told me to do. In fact, my conscience just now gave me a scripture:
Matthew 13:45-46 NKJV writes: 45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, 46 who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it For an agnostic, you sure have the Holy Spirit in you at times!"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Tangle writes: One of the most evidence-driven people I ever met was Professor Sir Anthony Bottoms (...)Speaking to him was an intellectual minefield, he had a mind like a trap and you had to weigh up every word you said to him and justify your assertions with supporting evidence. A very, very clever man.(Yet) he threw every rational thought away when it came to his beliefs. I could tie him up in knots without breaking into a sweat. Very odd. Very odd indeed. Why is it that the Jesus in the book was usually the one tieing everyone else up in knots and getting them to think whereas nearly all of His followers themselves get tied up in knots when confronting a rationally minded man? We can ponder one scripture in regards to my comment:
Matthew22:34-40 writes: I would think that you would argue back and say that the second commandment is the important one and the first one is mythos. It would be interesting which of you would tie the other up in a knot at that point. Comments? But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” 37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Nope. I work without a net. Not sure I follow. Are you referring to the fishermen analogy where the nets were breaking and the apologetic point that He makes us fishers of men? Are you implying that you seek to catch and hold no fish but merely give them spare change and let them swim on their way?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
(By the way, you could have googled it.) Thanks for the tip. Ignoring most of the references, I was led to a Waylon Jennings Song. Here are the lyrics. See if you can relate.
quote: Let's speculate a minute.1) Whose love was the artist referring to? If a human, which human? (You know where I'm going! ) 2) Would you personally see where the crutches he was leaning on were organized religion? (see how our intuition works? ) 3) I see the Holy Spirit all through this song. You may not like Waylon Jennings but perhaps you can see what I mean. Otherwise, which google would you have used?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
I would have looked up the meaning of working without a net. I did. I saw it right away. My brain likes to be creative and freewheeling....if you call it overthinking, I suppose I can accept that, but whats wrong with thinking? Better too much than not enough"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Tangle writes: Are you seriously suggesting that the authors made up the characters from scratch? I don't believe that for even a minute. At worst, they used poetic license to exaggerate the real character whom they were describing but to be honest, I don't even believe that! Because the authors of the myth made it that way."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
And we all know what you believe. Your explanation is utter bullshit. Sorry, but I see no more substance in your explanation than you do in my beliefs. Im calling you out. What so-called expert or group of experts rationally concluded what you present? Why should their conclusion be taken seriously? I want names and evidence.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
And if you bring up Richard Carrier, I've already seen the clever demons in him. He is a weasel. I'll need more than simply a mythicist or two
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You |
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
ringo writes: Oh? What about this song?
I do like Waylon Jennings.Lyrics writes: In my own way I'm a believerIn my own way right or wrong I don't talk too much about it It's something I keep working on I don't have too much to build on My faith has never been that strong There's a man in that old buildingHe's a holy man, they say He keeps talking about tomorrow While I keep struggling with today He preaches hell, fire and brimstone And heaven seems so far away I do believe in a higher powerOne that loves us one and all Not someone to solve our problems Or to catch me when I fall He gave us all a mind to think with And to know what's right or wrong He is that inner spirit That keeps us strong In my own way I'm a believerBut not in voices I can't hear I believe in a loving father One I never have to fear That I should live life at it's fullest Just as long as I am here
I can find God in nearly everything and everyone. Try that with a spaghetti monster or a bigfoot. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Edited by Phat, : No reason given. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
I can find The Flintstones in nearly everything and everyone. Find the Flintstones in a headline of your choice from today's paper."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18635 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1
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Today is my birthday. My family is miles away so I am celebrating by myself...before work...on what otherwise would be just another day. I gave myself a present of sorts...allowing myself to temporarily be active at EvC on my otherwise 1-month sabbatical. So here goes my birthday session of various posts. Besides....I miss you guys.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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