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Phat Member Posts: 15993 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
![]() "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tangle Member Posts: 8549 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 2.4
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This IQ thing seems to be a bit of a chip-on-the-shoulder thing for a lot of fundie posters here. Mike the Waz is very fond of pronouncing his cleverness. I presume he does that because it's hard to guess from his posts.
Believers are probably as intelligent on average as the general population, though atheists tend to be above average. You're not particularly smart Phat so don't get carried away with yourself. But it's not IQ that's your problem; it's your thinking skills - they're generally absent. One of the most evidence-driven people I ever met was Professor Sir Anthony Bottoms (yes, really!)' professor of criminology at Cambridge University. Speaking to him was an intellectual minefield, he had a mind like a trap and you had to weigh up every word you said to him and justify your assertions with supporting evidence. A very, very clever man. But he was also a believer and he threw every rational thought away when it came to his beliefs. I could tie him up in knots without breaking into a sweat. Very odd. He compartmentalised his belief from his rational mind..
If you had a farm I'd take the bet. You guys are ALWAYS wrong with your doom, doom, doom. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member Posts: 19614 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
I don't emphasize the messenger. There are a thousand messengers. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member Posts: 19614 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
Wrong.
You really won't though, will you? You're too enamored of your little pile of money to risk it on anything - not even on doing what your "savior" tells you to do. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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GDR Member (Idle past 225 days) Posts: 5410 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined:
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Thanks for asking Phat. I’m doing well as I hope everyone there is as well. I just found that in most instances the anti-theist side of the debate was more about the labelling of and the ridicule of theistic beliefs. I just didn’t see the point of trying to make an argument for my views.
He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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nwr Member Posts: 6007 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
I don't have a problem with your views. You are a reasonably rational theist, which is more than we can say for many of the other theists who post here. Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Phat Member Posts: 15993 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 15993 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
Ahhh I see where you are going!
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For an agnostic, you sure have the Holy Spirit in you at times! "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member Posts: 19614 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
Exactly my point. Basketball would be the same with or without Michael Jordan.
See above.
Or maybe the Fred Sasakamoose of hockey - i.e. a player you've never heard of.
So why do you reject His message? "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member Posts: 19614 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.6
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Nope. I work without a net. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 15993 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
Very odd indeed. Why is it that the Jesus in the book was usually the one tieing everyone else up in knots and getting them to think whereas nearly all of His followers themselves get tied up in knots when confronting a rationally minded man? We can ponder one scripture in regards to my comment:
![]() "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 15993 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member Posts: 19614 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
Nope. The trapeze artist analogy with no safety net.
You're over-thinking it, trying to come up with a convoluted apologetic explanation for a simple phrase. (By the way, you could have googled it.) "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Tangle Member Posts: 8549 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 2.4 |
Because the authors of the myth made it that way. You can't portray an idiot Jesus and hope to get people to believe in him can you? He has to be a superhero.
I could tie him up in knots because he hadn't made any attempt at all to research the historicity and accuracy of the bible, something he wouldn't dream of not doing in his own subject area. He just swallowed the thing whole. As for your question, of course the first part is total nonsense and the second part is simply plagiarism (of the golden rule). Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 15993 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
Ignoring most of the references, I was led to a Waylon Jennings Song. Here are the lyrics. See if you can relate. quote: Let's speculate a minute. Otherwise, which google would you have used? "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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