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ringo
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Message 46 of 80 (887249)
07-26-2021 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Phat
07-26-2021 2:19 PM


Re: Working Without A Net
Phat writes:

Let's speculate a minute.


You're still over-thinking. I just used a common expression.

Phat writes:

You may not like Waylon Jennings....


I do like Waylon Jennings. And songs - like jokes - work best when you don't analyze them to death.

Phat writes:

Otherwise, which google would you have used?


I would have looked up the meaning of working without a net.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Phat
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Message 47 of 80 (887271)
07-29-2021 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by ringo
07-26-2021 8:46 PM


Re: Working Without A Net
I would have looked up the meaning of working without a net.
I did. I saw it right away. My brain likes to be creative and freewheeling....if you call it overthinking, I suppose I can accept that, but whats wrong with thinking? Better too much than not enough

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 48 of 80 (887272)
07-29-2021 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Tangle
07-26-2021 2:12 PM


Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
Tangle writes:

Because the authors of the myth made it that way.

Are you seriously suggesting that the authors made up the characters from scratch? I don't believe that for even a minute. At worst, they used poetic license to exaggerate the real character whom they were describing but to be honest, I don't even believe that!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 49 of 80 (887274)
07-29-2021 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Phat
07-29-2021 2:23 AM


Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
Phat writes:

Are you seriously suggesting that the authors made up the characters from scratch?

No. There were plenty of real protagonists, ancient stories and rumours around to create a mythology without having to invent one. Making up an entire mythology from scratch was not necessary and isn't what happened. The Jesus myth evolved from Old Testament stories. The stories then evolved through to New Testament into the Qur'an. (And arguably also into the Book of Mormon.) All man made.

At worst, they used poetic license to exaggerate the real character whom they were describing but to be honest,

Yup. Though more than poetic.

I don't even believe that!

We all know what you believe Phat.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 50 of 80 (887276)
07-29-2021 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Tangle
07-29-2021 3:20 AM


Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
And we all know what you believe. Your explanation is utter bullshit. Sorry, but I see no more substance in your explanation than you do in my beliefs. Im calling you out. What so-called expert or group of experts rationally concluded what you present? Why should their conclusion be taken seriously? I want names and evidence.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 51 of 80 (887277)
07-29-2021 10:26 AM


Mythter and Mythsiss BS
And if you bring up Richard Carrier, I've already seen the clever demons in him. He is a weasel. I'll need more than simply a mythicist or two

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


  
Phat
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Message 52 of 80 (887278)
07-29-2021 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by ringo
07-26-2021 8:46 PM


Re: Working Without A Net
ringo writes:

I do like Waylon Jennings.

Oh? What about this song?
Lyrics writes:

In my own way I'm a believer
In my own way right or wrong
I don't talk too much about it
It's something I keep working on
I don't have too much to build on
My faith has never been that strong

There's a man in that old building
He's a holy man, they say
He keeps talking about tomorrow
While I keep struggling with today
He preaches hell, fire and brimstone
And heaven seems so far away

I do believe in a higher power
One that loves us one and all
Not someone to solve our problems
Or to catch me when I fall
He gave us all a mind to think with
And to know what's right or wrong
He is that inner spirit
That keeps us strong

In my own way I'm a believer
But not in voices I can't hear
I believe in a loving father
One I never have to fear
That I should live life at it's fullest
Just as long as I am here

I can find God in nearly everything and everyone. Try that with a spaghetti monster or a bigfoot.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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ringo
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Message 53 of 80 (887282)
07-29-2021 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
07-29-2021 2:20 AM


Re: Working Without A Net
Phat writes:

... whats wrong with thinking? Better too much than not enough


Not necessarily. Take reading the Bible, for example. You're not content to read it and understand what it says. You try to think it into saying what you want it to say.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 54 of 80 (887283)
07-29-2021 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Phat
07-29-2021 2:23 AM


Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
Phat writes:

Are you seriously suggesting that the authors made up the characters from scratch?


*shrug* J.R.R. Tolkien did it. So do a lot of scifi and fantasy writers.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 55 of 80 (887284)
07-29-2021 12:14 PM
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07-29-2021 10:44 AM


Re: Working Without A Net
Phat writes:

I can find God in nearly everything and everyone.


I can find The Flintstones in nearly everything and everyone.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Phat
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Message 56 of 80 (887288)
07-29-2021 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by ringo
07-29-2021 12:14 PM


Re: Working Without A Net
I can find The Flintstones in nearly everything and everyone.

Find the Flintstones in a headline of your choice from today's paper.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 57 of 80 (887307)
07-30-2021 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Phat
07-29-2021 2:20 PM


Re: Working Without A Net
Phat writes:

Find the Flintstones in a headline of your choice from today's paper.


From the Leader-Post:
quote:
Fort Qu'Appelle man shocked at 40-per-cent property tax increase for lakefront home

Season 6, Episode 5 - Fred invests his tax refund in a circus.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 58 of 80 (887313)
07-30-2021 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Phat
07-29-2021 10:23 AM


Re: Untangling a bored fisherman
Phat writes:

And we all know what you believe.


You've proved over and over that you really don't.

Your explanation is utter bullshit. Sorry, but I see no more substance in your explanation than you do in my beliefs. Im calling you out. What so-called expert or group of experts rationally concluded what you present? Why should their conclusion be taken seriously? I want names and evidence.

Well there's a a group of people called Jews. They have a book called the Torah (That's the Old Testament to you Christians) which predicts the Messiah. The Jews are still waiting for him, they reckon that your Jesus is just one of the many failed prophets.

So a thousand years after the Jewish oral traditions and about 500 years after something got written we have a bunch of Jews trying to make Jesus into the Messiah of the book. Unfortunately, he failed - as was recorded in your book.

Having failed, people still needed a Messiah and hence Mohammed was invented. They recognise Jesus as a a prophet but not a god.

Mormonism, same god different day. Jesus is the head of their religion but believe that the Christians got the story thereafter wrong. So Smith wrote his own, very different version. guided by god (of course).

That's the synopsis. They're all man made and they're all of their time. You just believe one version of one of the many myths in the same tradition.

As for references, just read the Wikis and follow the sources from there.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 59 of 80 (888506)
09-19-2021 1:37 PM


62 Years Old Today--September 19th
Today is my birthday. My family is miles away so I am celebrating by myself...before work...on what otherwise would be just another day. I gave myself a present of sorts...allowing myself to temporarily be active at EvC on my otherwise 1-month sabbatical. So here goes my birthday session of various posts. Besides....I miss you guys.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 60 of 80 (888521)
09-19-2021 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Phat
09-19-2021 1:37 PM


Re: 62 Years Old Today--September 19th
Happy Day, Phat man!

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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