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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
dwise1 writes: Though I confess I consulted the Oracle, I came up with Roman Moronie's speech:
What a complete farking icehole you are! (Quick! Name that movie! It's your only chance at Redemption.) Perhaps by consulting a human-created Oracle I lost my opportunity at redemption, but I will still keep praying for all of us and not just myself. EvC can be a holy place if we follow rule 10 in the Forum Guidelines"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZ writes:
My questions would likely be as follows:
Actually, there is an energy force that is blowing this universe apart in an accelerating expansion of spacetime and the expected long-term results will be the death of the universe by freezing. Eventually, the last photon will be expanded out of existence. The Heat Death of the universe."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
The reality is that space is contracting between Andromeda and the Milky Way. No. This is the most stupid thing i've read in many months. When you drive to the store do you say the space, the road, between your car and the store is contracting? Our local group is gravitationally bound. That overrides the force of the expansion. You didn't read or comprehend the explanation I gave in my message, did you! You can't comprehend this stuff. Why are you arguing? Just to look stupid?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
I hope you didn't expect me to answer any of that crap, Phat.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I didn't. But I expected you to think a bit about philosophy and about how not all religionist types are clueless and dense. Not that I claim any special status yet. It's all up to my Boss. And He cares about you too, even though you don't knowingly work for Him.
Edited by Phat, : spelling"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
But I expected you to think a bit about philosophy and about how not all religionist types are clueless and dense. But, Phat, that is not true. We already know, and have known for centuries, that religious types are in fact clueless, dense, illogical, violent, dangerous and evil. Down right stupid is what they are, Phat. This is fact. We know this.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
As everyone keeps telling you, transitioning your ether ideas from fantasy to the realm of possibility requires evidence. Continuing to ramble on with word salads won't produce any evidence.
Einstein realized new theory was needed because Newtonian physics couldn't explain how the world would appear to someone traveling at the speed of light. You realized new theory was needed because... You need to replace the ellipsis with some observation of the real world. --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Have you ever heard of the concept of metaphor? Do you realize that light/darkness (good/evil) has nothing, nothing and also nothing to do with actual physical light? Can we make a conscious choice to be part of light or part of darkness and, if so, do we know which is which?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
of course, I knew that and was in fact employing such a metaphor in light of my question to AZPaul3. He has yet to admit that his mind is not eternal nor is our collective. We are not God. (Even if one cannot be proven)
Light is a metaphor for a loving Deity, though some may argue that if a Deity exists there is no promise that such a Power is Good. I would of course argue otherwise, for hope becomes a lot stronger when at least one of us knows the way out of the forest. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Lucifer means light.
Light is a metaphor for a loving Deity.... Phat writes:
You're the one who's always preaching against objective reality, expecting your seeing-eye god to lead you. I prefer to look out for the trees. ... hope becomes a lot stronger when at least one of us knows the way out of the forest."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZPaul3 writes: Why not? They are just simple questions. And Ringo, I expect the same from you. You guys cant wax philosophic about what science tells us will happen in 100 billion (give or take) years and then imply that you dont care about an eternal destiny or purpose...if not for you for your offspring. I hope you didn't expect me to answer any of that crap, Phat. Which leads to a few more hypotheticals.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
No, Phat.
You confirmed in Message 230 that I didn't have to answer. It's too late. You are not a girl so you don't get to change your mind.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You have a lot of gall. Go back and answer the hundreds of my posts that you've ignored before you demand that I answer every thought that meanders through your mind.
And Ringo, I expect the same from you. Phat writes:
When have I ever done that? You guys cant wax philosophic about what science tells us will happen in 100 billion (give or take) years and then imply that you dont care about an eternal destiny or purpose..."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
The same as the difference between "a" big apple and "The" Big Apple.
ringo writes:
What is the difference? There's a difference between "a" beginning and "the" beginning. ICANT writes:
No, I'm pointing out that your comment is nonsense based on your misunderstanding of simple English.
I think you are dancing around my comment... ICANT writes:
That's an unsupported assertion. The Universe required a beginning to exist just like you did."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Phat
Phat writes: Thus is it fair to say that you don't consider yourself a creationist in any way shape or form? That is correct. Energy can not be created therefore it has to have existed eternally. There had to be an eternal unlimited energy force to make the universe and hold it together. This existing energy is what was used to build the universe out of.
Phat writes: Are you arguing that a Believer in God (the uncaused first cause hypothesis) is NOT a Creationist? No. There are many people who believe in God that believe He created the universe about 6,000 years ago and some go up to 10,000 years ago. Then you have the old earth creationist who believe in an old universe that was destroyed and had to be remodeled 6 to 10k years ago. Then there is me. You know what I believe. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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