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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I'm not mocking...I'm simply tryna be funny. But you are right in that if an Endtimes scenario were to play out in any degree, food would be far more valuable than Gold. But Gold and Silver will go a lot farther than any BitCoin, Paper Currency, or coinage from any country.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: And my point is that we cant take a message from a Holy Man in a book, adopt it as our own creed, and make it mandatory for each one of us to follow.
n a democracy, the government is US. It isn't some mysterious entity forcing us to be decent human beings. It's US.2 Corinthians 9:6-8 writes: Jesus told the Rich Young Ruler what he must do (what he should purpose in his heart) but never made him do it. But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work. Paul reminds us of the same charge. The Creator of all seen and unseen loves when you purpose in your heart to do His will, but He never forces us to do it...He simply informs us of what should be primary in our heart. Edited by Phat, : spelling"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
There will always be some people who are dumb enough to trade their food away for gold but evolution will weed them out. I never suggested trading food for gold. I DO suggest that at this point in time it would be wise to trade some of your paper dollars, stocks, bonds, and fiat assets in exchange for gold and silver. This will preserve your wealth as the next great reset(correction) plays out globally. And before you go off, I'.m not suggesting hoarding wealth. The more you preserve what you have (or had) the more you can hand out spare change later rather than being among the beggars yourself."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
So I should tell the hungry person I'll feed him in a few years when more interest has accrued? What a stupid thing to suggest. No. You use wisdom with what little (or lot) of assets you have.Feed them as you feed yourself but dont give them everything at once. You are at or nearly at full retirement age. Do you really plan on giving up all you have and throw yourself at the mercy of the Canadian Government? Is it not wise to invest in a financial insurance policy? Because that's essentially what Gold and Silver are. Having a modest savings account that gains zero interest and gets whittled down year after year as inflation rises is foolish. I will once again state that silver bullion is about the best investment value on the planet for the next 5-10 years, and that may be all the time we have left. Teach a man to fish rather than giving all of your fish away and being as broke as the ones you were trying to help. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You guys are wrong about this one. Time will tell for certain, however.
I say silver will be above 35.00oz within the next year and will top 40.00 oz by the end of Biden's first term. Besides...if "they" are scams, why do the Central Banks own so much gold and why would it be in their interests to keep the market price low? Their product, the dollar, is losing value at 5% per year. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Thanks for asking me these questions, nwr. I always like being challenged...even when I don't like it!
1) Who is selling you this silver? Bernie at Rocky Mountain Coin. He never pushes it though. I already knew what I wanted when I met him.
(2) Who is giving you the advice on buying silver? Is it the same person as the seller? No. I give Bernie advice if anything. He and I know what he makes off me and the contractual relationship is honest.
(3) If the advice to buy silver is good, why is he selling it? Shouldn't he be holding onto it so that its value will increase? For every ounce he sells, he makes at least $9.00....more for rare coins. He also buys it from people at spot price. He claims to own some himself but that's his business. I listen to different people on YouTube. Though always skeptical, I feel that their advice and perspective is not a con.
I'm suggesting that the people who are selling silver to you are not following their own advice. Shouldn't that be troubling? To the best of my knowledge, they all also own silver.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I will be honest. i recently bought a 100 oz silver bar from Bernie. Silver spot was 25.00 an ounce. i paid 2800.00 for the bar. Check back with me in a year and we can crunch the numbers.
i know im not a wise sage. um foolish in many ways and this may prove to be one of them. But again it may not. I trust my intuition."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Percy writes: Bernie has made up to $9.00 an ounce commission as I bought some American Eagles that had higher premiums. You are correct that on this particular transaction Bernie only made $3.00 an ounce. Silver dealers typically make between $2.00 and $15.00 premium, based on what the product is and how much demand there is for it. A hunk of silver such as a bar commands less of a premium than does a rare coin. a bar stamped with the mint of origin commands a slightly higher premium than a generic silver bar with no markings.
I can crunch the numbers right now, and they show that you have a serious problem with math. You said Bernie makes $9 an ounce, but if silver spot was $25/ounce and your price was $28/ounce then Bernie actually made $3/ounce. How much will Bernie pay to buy back that 100 oz bar? The usual price is the daily spot price from the Comex. Around the $25-$26.00 mark currently. This demand varies based on a lot of factors...namely:
Within these markets, there are both a few "Big Fish" such as JP Morgan as well as uncountable small fish which are investors...many of them stackers such as I. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle writes: Not so fast there, podnuh. You're intuition is shit Phat, not least because there can be no such thing as intuition forecasting silver prices. It's just a bet. Any analyst uses intuition based on what they already know and have seen about the markets. I've taken a lot of what each of you says and added it to my mental database. I do keep in mind that not many of you are knowledgeable about how the precious metals commodity markets work and have worked historically, dwise1 being an exception. (Carsons joke was eerily prophetic) I feel as if I do understand these markets somewhat, and will continue to invest some, but by no means all of my assets in them. FYI, Percy, most of my investments are in traditional S&P 500 companies. I need to be able to retire and not work someday, and I don't think that Social Security alone is a good bet. Unlike Ringo, I dont bet that the US Government will take care of me. I have taken in the health advice that you have given me, Percy. It does little good to be an unhealthy man with good investments. The Doctors will get it all."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The fact remains, that they have apparently decided that they can make more money by selling silver than by owning it. I dont dispute that. They need some sort of livelihood, after all. They can make quicker and more reliable money by selling it than by owning it. And we also must note that by talking it up they are helping their livelihood of selling it. I am aware of the bigger picture."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle writes: My inner spidey recommends that your personal investments be widely diversified. You're not an analyst, you're just betting based on your special spidey senses. Look up Counter Cyclical Investments. Many experts recommend a portfolio that has at least 5% in precious metals. I would recommend 10% at this point in time. Once thats done you and I can relax and go fishing."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
marc9000 writes: As a political moderate, (self-proclaimed of course) I am not against any one party any more than I am against any other. I do worry that the whole idea of stimulus checks could and would get out of hand if everybody didn't get one. Censorship has reached new heights from the Democrat party, and all the branches it owns. I am, as many of you know, against reparations of any form. It's too hard to calculate what is owed, assign it to those (and only those) who individually (not collectively) qualify. It is also too hard to assign blame on an individual (rather than a collective) basis. Thus, if one guy gets a check, everybody needs to get one. Government should not be in the business of playing favorites."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You seem to suggest an either/or paradigm. Either the whites (as a culture club) stay "in power" or by decree affirmative action quotas need to be mandatorily implemented.
Is this in fact what you are saying?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You and I appear to be talking past each other.
I said: Government should not be in the business of playing favorites.You replied: quote: Thus we both have a valid statement, right? Or should government discriminate?
nwr writes: I'm not the one who brought up the issue of color.
Why are you seeing everything as black vs. white? What would be wrong with people working together regardless of skin color?Tanypteryx writes: You mean it (government)should continue playing the whites as favorites. Marc9000 is a conservative and favors freedom over equality. He sees equality as mandatory ordained government meddling.The other side of the coin sees mandatory equality as an antidote to white privilege. I am somewhat in the middle and as of yet am still deciding which side if any I should support. I am not in favor of the government acting like a secular church and mandating moral actions especially if they involve my money. We can negotiate on taxes, as we always have done. Edited by Phat, : punctuation spacing"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Percy writes: I expect my diversified portfolio to take a 30-40% hit, along with yours. The experts recommend a diversified portfolio that contains between 5 and 10% precious metals. I am listening to them. Were it left up to my inner monkey, I would invest 100% in the metals, but I am being rational.
Why isn't your diversified S&P portfolio going to go poof along with ours when the dollar is replaced as a global currency? Percy writes: I am beginning to examine such companies. (as stock investments) Why, if the bulk of your funds are in traditional securities, aren't you targeting your investment funds at companies situated to benefit from the coming crisis you believe is imminent. Here are some of them:
quote: Percy writes:
I changed gears only to bring us back closer to being on topic. Something's fishy. I think you just woke up today and decided to try to put on a rational face. Who knows what the reality is. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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