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Author Topic:   Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!
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Message 797 of 899 (884870)
03-11-2021 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 787 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 2:28 PM


Re: A denier denies
A claim is not scientific unless its falsifiable... Is climate change falsifiable?

Of course.

The edifice is built on the overwhelming abundance of actual facts and data.

If we find enough facts and data that contradict our present conclusions those conclusions have been falsified.

You don't science much do you.

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Message 799 of 899 (884872)
03-11-2021 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 787 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 2:28 PM


Re: A denier denies
he outsiders that the mainstream fear, made predictions that are true... The world is getting cooler.

That may be in your altered belief-based wishful-thinking fantasy world but the actual data that reality is showing us is quite the opposite.

How many top scientific studies from reputable corners agree with your fantasy-centered claim? Any?

Reality is sitting right there in front of your face. You can deny that reality all you want. It's not going away.

You are blind for the sake of your religious and political beliefs. How intellectually backward of you.


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Message 800 of 899 (884873)
03-11-2021 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 793 by marc9000
03-10-2021 9:46 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
Yes, Green Energy Failures Helped Cause Texas Blackout Disaster

Wrong.

Blame the wind? In Texas, fossil fuels have actually played a larger role in leaving millions without power

Your lies are exposed. Your political goals in propagating these lies are also exposed and are rejected.


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Message 801 of 899 (884874)
03-11-2021 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 789 by Porkncheese
03-10-2021 7:55 PM


Re: A denier denies denying
Keep on using slander cos u have nothing else...
Hehehehe its a great way to lose an argument and look silly as well...

The bluster. This is rich.

Glowby just mopped the floor with your weak religious mind and you can't see it.

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Message 804 of 899 (884885)
03-11-2021 3:46 PM
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03-11-2021 2:56 PM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
You seem to think it is as simple as a large group of rational people vs a large group of stupid people. It isn't that simple.

Why isn't it?

A large group of rational people say "this is bad, this is very bad" vs a large group of irrational people (to include charlatans, the greedy, the religious and politically motivated in addition to your standard nutjob) that say "hey, ain't so bad, beers cold."

Is this THAT difficult a decision?

I know, I know, this is humanity and we have a tendency to do the stupid. We can't, should, but can't help it. We have Christians and republicans or their equivalents all over the world running everything so stupid it's going to be.

Seems simple enough to me. Stupid wins.


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Message 820 of 899 (884947)
03-16-2021 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 819 by Taq
03-15-2021 5:19 PM


Re: An Inconvenient Truth -- still true
I thought it had something to do with watermelons in Kenya? I'm unclear.

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Message 826 of 899 (886197)
05-09-2021 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 825 by marc9000
05-09-2021 6:12 PM


SHOUTING ME DOWN HERE IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY ATTEMPT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE TRUTH IS.

All caps, oooo, testy.

Don't flatter yourself. The TRUTH© has already been revealed.

Shouting you down is just sport.

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Message 848 of 899 (887530)
08-08-2021 4:13 PM


New IPCC Climate Report
Due out this week the IPCC will issue its second world report.

This article Here's What You Need to Know About The UN's Upcoming 'State of The Climate' Report is about how the report was put together and the rigourous open scientific review system used.

There are technical science sections separate from the political policy sections.

This report will be the world's consensus view of our climate issues both science and policy wise.

quote:
"It's warming. It's us. We're sure. It's bad. But we can fix it." That's how sustainability scientist and Lund University Professor Kimberly Nicholas puts it.

Don't expect an optimistic picture to emerge from the upcoming report. Climate change is a threat-multiplier that compounds other global, national and regional environmental and social issues.



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Message 849 of 899 (887537)
08-09-2021 11:00 AM


IPCC - Summary for Policymakers
IPCC, 2021: Summary for Policymakers. In: Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis.
Contribution of Working Group I to the Sixth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change

quote:
A.1 It is unequivocal that human influence has warmed the atmosphere, ocean and land.
Widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere and biosphere
have occurred.

A.2 The scale of recent changes across the climate system as a whole and the present state of
many aspects of the climate system are unprecedented over many centuries to many
thousands of years.

A.3 Human-induced climate change is already affecting many weather and climate extremes
in every region across the globe. Evidence of observed changes in extremes such as
heatwaves, heavy precipitation, droughts, and tropical cyclones, and, in particular, their
attribution to human influence, has strengthened since AR5 (previous IPCC report).

A.4 Improved knowledge of climate processes, paleoclimate evidence and the response of the
climate system to increasing radiative forcing gives a best estimate of equilibrium
climate sensitivity of 3°C with a narrower range compared to AR5.

B.1 Global surface temperature will continue to increase until at least the mid-century
under all emissions scenarios considered. Global warming of 1.5°C and 2°C will be
exceeded during the 21st century unless deep reductions in CO2 and other greenhouse
gas emissions occur in the coming decades.

B.2 Many changes in the climate system become larger in direct relation to increasing global
warming. They include increases in the frequency and intensity of hot extremes, marine
heatwaves, and heavy precipitation, agricultural and ecological droughts in some
regions, and proportion of intense tropical cyclones, as well as reductions in Arctic sea
ice, snow cover and permafrost.

B.3 Continued global warming is projected to further intensify the global water cycle,
including its variability, global monsoon precipitation and the severity of wet and dry
events.

B.4 Under scenarios with increasing CO2 emissions, the ocean and land carbon sinks are
projected to be less effective at slowing the accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere.

B.5 Many changes due to past and future greenhouse gas emissions are irreversible for
centuries to millennia, especially changes in the ocean, ice sheets and global sea level.


No more BS from Big Carbon and their political minions.

The warming is real (no reasonable doubts remain).

The warming is happening faster than projected.

The warming is known anthropomorphic (no reasonable doubts remain).

It is bad. Shifts in weather are now, and will continue to disrupt agriculture and social systems placing societies under extreme stress.

We can still mollify some projected disruptions or their severity to a significant degree if we drastically reduce greenhouse emissions before 2050.

It’s getting worse but we still have a chance to affect the most drastic IF we change our poisonous ways today.

In summary, since we have already shown ourselves to be a population of stupid apes this report means we’re more screwed than we thought we were.


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Message 851 of 899 (887539)
08-09-2021 12:36 PM


FAQ - IPCC
The committee put up a FAQ section in their report.

IPCC Frequently Asked Questions

A sampling of the types of questions. Each one is answered in a layman's vernacular with lots of backup data when needed.

FAQ 1.1: Do we understand climate change better now compared to when the IPCC started?

FAQ 4.1: How Will the Climate Change over the Next Twenty Years?

FAQ 7.2: Clouds – What is the role in a warming climate?

FAQ 10.2: Why are cities hotspots of global warming?

FAQ 12.1: What is a climatic impact-driver (CID)?

90+ pages of such questions with detailed comprehensive answers.

Very interesting questions and data. A major layman's answer resource.


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Message 852 of 899 (887540)
08-09-2021 12:49 PM
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08-09-2021 12:22 PM


Re: IPCC - Summary for Policymakers
29 years, that's plenty of time.

For this species? In this world with lots of oil, money, politics and guns?

I'm not going to be around to collect but I'll bet ya $10 we don't make it.


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Message 856 of 899 (887548)
08-09-2021 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 855 by anglagard
08-09-2021 2:00 PM


Re: In the End, Death s the Cure
I've read some of those studies. They propose there is a chain of tipping points coming up in the next 100 years and if we, as good little humans can, hit every fricken one of them then some greenhouse cycles would go into autopilot regardless of how many humans aren't around any more.

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Message 858 of 899 (887561)
08-09-2021 7:50 PM
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08-09-2021 6:27 PM


Re: In the End, Death s the Cure
Global warming is the real-life trolley problem.

Down one line a lot of people die now and again then a whole lot further down the track the trolley bursts into flames and everybody on the planet dies.

Down the other line the trolley bursts into flames and everybody on the planet dies but it happens earlier.

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Message 861 of 899 (887596)
08-12-2021 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 859 by Percy
08-10-2021 11:58 AM


Re: My Reaction to Dire Predictions
The effects of climate change will continue on for decades and decades because not enough of the world will rein in their production of green house gases ...

No. The effects of anthropomorphic climate change, even if all humanity dropped dead today, will continue to ravage this world, not for decades but for centuries, for millennia.

quote:
B.5 Many changes due to past and future greenhouse gas emissions are irreversible for centuries to millennia, especially changes in the ocean, ice sheets and global sea level.

B.5.1 Based on multiple lines of evidence, upper ocean stratification (virtually
certain), ocean acidification (virtually certain) and ocean deoxygenation (high confidence) will continue to increase in the 21st century, at rates dependent on future emissions. Changes are irreversible on centennial to millennial time scales in global ocean temperature (very high confidence), deep ocean acidification (very
high confidence) and deoxygenation (medium confidence).
{4.3, 4.5, 4.7, 5.3, 9.2, TS.2.4} (Figure SPM.8)


quote:
C.2 With further global warming, every region is projected to increasingly experience concurrent and multiple changes in climatic impact-drivers.

C.2.2 At 1.5°C global warming, heavy precipitation and associated flooding are projected to intensify and be more frequent in most regions in Africa and Asia (high confidence), North America (medium to high confidence) 40 and Europe (medium confidence). Also, more frequent and/or severe agricultural and
ecological droughts are projected in a few regions in all continents except Asia compared to 1850–1900 (medium confidence) ...


With these two projections and what we already see happening in former breadbasket regions like east Africa, western China, all over the Middle East, I am majorly concerned.

The drought, heat, fire, flood and on and on, will only get worse over these coming decades regardless of what we do. Major food disruptions are already happening and will only get worse. We have seen before in history the social consequences that will occur. We know how societies react to starvation and war.

We will eventually gain control of our green house gases, but by no means by 2050.

No. We won't. Too many sacred oxes to gore. We have seen how some of the power political elites ignored the lives in the pandemic and manipulated resources for profit. They don't care.

Now imagine the opponent having all the money in the world (literally) and an iron grasp on all the major political levers in every nation in the world (literally). You will not challenge their power. Not successfully. You will not decrease their revenues or their wealth. You haven't the political power nor the political will.

Rebellion will have to happen. War will have to happen.

Some regions will suffer, some will thrive, and along the way we'll adapt.

Even in the USA I fear the prospect of a world so disrupted and broken the demagogues will have the fodder they need to make hell.

The collapse of civilization that you do not see coming will come when nuclear armed War Lords are in control of ANYwhere.


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Message 863 of 899 (887598)
08-12-2021 7:39 PM
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08-12-2021 7:04 PM


Re: My Reaction to Dire Predictions
Oh, there is no doubt in my mind that as we lose more and more of our stability and social cohesion the stupid will come pouring forth.

You guys really do thrive on fear, don't you.


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