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riVeRraT
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Message 121 of 258 (887574)
08-10-2021 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by AZPaul3
01-20-2021 8:20 PM


Re: Grandpa Joe
The part I'm having to get used to is having a president who speaks in complete sentences with a discernable train of thought.
It's refreshing

LMFAO. You are so dishonest, and a hypocrite.

I can't even list all the incoherent quotes here. At least we all know poor kids are just as talented as white kids.

30 Joe Biden Quotes You Have To Read To Believe


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Message 122 of 258 (887579)
08-10-2021 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by riVeRraT
08-10-2021 2:57 PM


Re: Grandpa Joe
That Joe looked and sounded that good with all his faults is a clear showing of just how bad Trump is.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 123 of 258 (887582)
08-10-2021 6:46 PM
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08-10-2021 2:57 PM


Re: Grandpa Joe
Um, Trump sounds like a blithering idiot on a good day! On a normal day his communication skills are subhuman.

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Message 124 of 258 (887583)
08-10-2021 10:18 PM
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08-10-2021 6:46 PM


Re: Grandpa Joe
Um, Trump sounds like a blithering idiot on a good day! On a normal day his communication skills are subhuman.

Which makes Trump the answer to the dream of democracy: he is truly representative of those who voted for him.

Of course, I apologize fully for that meanness. Ever since Jerry Lewis' "let's make fun of the handicapped" went out of fashion, we are no longer allowed to do that anymore. (refer to Tom Lehrer's into to "National Brotherhood Week"; I personally remember the intro that "That Was The Week That Was" (TW3) provided in which they detailed the then-recent events of the assassination of Malcolm X and promises of violent reprisals followed by "And so started National Brotherhood Week!!")


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Message 125 of 258 (887585)
08-11-2021 3:20 PM
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08-10-2021 2:57 PM


Re: Grandpa Joe
quote:
"I am a gaffe machine," Biden said. "But my God what a wonderful thing compared to a guy who can't tell the truth."

Amen.

Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.


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Percy
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Message 126 of 258 (887845)
08-23-2021 8:33 AM


Biden Administration a Disappointment So Far
I'm very disappointed in the Biden administration's performance thus far, mainly because of the pandemic and Afghanistan.

Biden cannot be faulted for the low vaccination rate, but he can be faulted for his milquetoast response to mask and vaccine resistance. His administration should have been requiring and enforcing masks and vaccinations nationwide, then fought vigorously in the courts for it. He might have ultimately lost, but it would have been the right thing to do, both practically and politically.

Biden can be completely faulted for the disaster in Afghanistan. Getting out of Afghanistan is exactly the right thing to do, but the way he's doing it is completely wrongheaded. Either he made terrible decisions or was given terrible information and advice by his advisors. There should have been months of planning and a slow, stealthy drawdown of weapons and personnel.

Biden today does not seem the same person he was during a lifetime in government. I'm not talking about being a gaffe machine, that's a given. I'm wondering what happened to his honesty and competence. Here's hoping Biden can turn this around, because otherwise Trump or a Trump wannabe will be back in the White House in 2025. Certainly the groundwork is being laid for returning the House and Senate to the Republicans in 2022.

--Percy


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Diomedes
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Message 127 of 258 (887859)
08-23-2021 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Percy
08-23-2021 8:33 AM


Re: Biden Administration a Disappointment So Far
His administration should have been requiring and enforcing masks and vaccinations nationwide, then fought vigorously in the courts for it. He might have ultimately lost, but it would have been the right thing to do, both practically and politically.

Problem is, the Republicans are salivating at the prospect of doing their own impeachment. Despite the fact that the former Clown in Chief was pretty deserving of impeachment proceedings, the Republicans still considered it to be a witch hunt. So now they are looking to even the score. That probably is a factor Biden is weighing on how far he can push any Federal mandates.

Biden can be completely faulted for the disaster in Afghanistan. Getting out of Afghanistan is exactly the right thing to do, but the way he's doing it is completely wrongheaded.

Even for someone like me who is a fan of Biden, I can't argue with that. We can castigate Bush for the initial boondoggle, but in the end, the current status of our presence in Afghanistan is his situation to manage. My suspicion is the current debacle stems from him underestimating the Taliban presence (maybe due to bad information) but also grossly overestimating the efficacy of the (now former) Afghan government and military. We all knew they were corrupt but good grief. They basically piled whatever money they stole into bags and were the first ones out of the country.

The sad part is that now women and young girls in that country will see a return to the unenlightened, barbarous ways of seventh century religious zealotry. That is the true tragedy.


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Phat
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Message 128 of 258 (887883)
08-25-2021 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by ringo
08-11-2021 3:20 PM


Afhghanistan and Global Perspective
Recently a good article on NPR.

What The Exit From Afghanistan Tells Us About How Biden Sees The World

While Mr.Biden is preferable to Mr.Trump, this article explains how

NPR writes:

Nowadays, Biden speaks about the most important global struggle as a battle between autocracies and democracies. And Afghanistan isn't part of that equation. He's laser-focused on China.

And compared to previous presidents, some say, he also seems to understand the limits of American foreign policy.

"It is, in my mind, reflecting the president's views: This is a world abroad to be managed, not transformed or redeemed," said Aaron David Miller, a senior fellow with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Biden's team often refers to this idea of creating a "foreign policy for the middle class" with a greater focus on how actions abroad will affect Americans at home, especially economically. Biden's national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, told NPR in December that the Obama administration "did not elevate and center middle-class concerns in our foreign policy." Sullivan saw that disconnect as part of the reason for Hillary Clinton's 2016 loss to Trump and his "America First" nationalism.

Maybe what I am beginning to understand is that some of our middle-class support globalism if it is in the mutual interests of a global middle class (educated people, largely) who ideally engage in reciprocity rather than a zero-sum game. My gripes historically have focused on the dwindling favoritism towards people like myself. I lean more towards Nationalism than I do Globalism because I feel that as I age, my class interests will take a back seat to global programs.

NPR writes:

"I think there's a recognition that so much of the way that foreign policy was talked about and made in Washington had become completely detached from the kind of lived experiences of Americans," said Matt Duss, a foreign policy adviser to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

"And Trump kind of effectively zeroed in on that disconnect in a really divisive and racist and disunifying way. But still, he identified something valid," Duss said.

And the only reason I liked Trump diplomacy in any way was that he thought American interests were getting taken advantage of by foreign interests who benefited from us more than we did from them. Otherwise, I'm glad to be rid of Trump....but more like him will come if the small businessmen and uneducated retirees get passed over in favor of globalism. Am I again ignorant of the BIG PICTURE? Someone enlighten me. Respectfully, of course.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


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(1894).


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Message 129 of 258 (887894)
08-25-2021 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Phat
08-25-2021 1:25 AM


Re: Afhghanistan and Global Perspective
My gripes historically have focused on the dwindling favoritism towards people like myself.

Why do you need favoritism? What's wrong with the idea that everyone should be treated fairly and decently?

And the only reason I liked Trump diplomacy in any way was that he thought American interests were getting taken advantage of by foreign interests who benefited from us more than we did from them.

That was your mistake. The real problem is that corporate interests have been benefiting at the cost of ordinary citizens (like you). And Trump favored corporate interests.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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ringo
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Message 130 of 258 (887917)
08-25-2021 3:32 PM
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08-25-2021 1:25 AM


Re: Afhghanistan and Global Perspective
Phat writes:

Maybe what I am beginning to understand is that some of our middle-class support globalism ...


The only one who's obsessed with globalism is you.

Phat writes:

I lean more towards Nationalism than I do Globalism...


Yes, your Nazi sympathies are apparent.

Phat writes:

... because I feel that as I age, my class interests will take a back seat to global programs.


And so they should.

Phat writes:

And the only reason I liked Trump diplomacy in any way was that he thought American interests were getting taken advantage of by foreign interests who benefited from us more than we did from them.


Remember that Trump was the idiot who slapped tariffs on foreign products, making them more expensive for you. How is that looking after your interests?

Phat writes:

Otherwise, I'm glad to be rid of Trump....but more like him will come if the small businessmen and uneducated retirees get passed over in favor of globalism.


Yes, I have no doubt that you will cut your own throat to spite the boogeyman of "globalism".

Phat writes:

Am I again ignorant of the BIG PICTURE?


Yes. The big picture is that you have a lot more to gain by looking outward than by locking yourself up in your own little world.

Phat writes:

Someone enlighten me.


You've had a lot of light shone on you but you're careful not to let any of it sink in.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 131 of 258 (887925)
08-25-2021 8:39 PM
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08-25-2021 1:25 AM


Re: Afhghanistan and Global Perspective
Someone enlighten me. Respectfully, of course.

If anyone enlightened you any more you would burst into flames.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Percy
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Message 132 of 258 (887948)
08-27-2021 11:59 AM
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08-25-2021 1:25 AM


Re: Afhghanistan and Global Perspective
Phat writes:

And the only reason I liked Trump diplomacy in any way was that he thought American interests were getting taken advantage of by foreign interests who benefited from us more than we did from them.

What benefits would those be?

Otherwise, I'm glad to be rid of Trump....but more like him will come if the small businessmen and uneducated retirees get passed over in favor of globalism.

What's wrong with policies that benefit the world as a whole rather than just the countries with the most economic and military power?

Am I again ignorant of the BIG PICTURE? Someone enlighten me. Respectfully, of course.

You're ignoring the big picture. You focus myopically on benefiting the US and leave the rest of the world out of your considerations.

About "someone enlighten me," people have been enlightening you in this thread over and over again. It doesn't matter how many different ways you ask the same question, the answer won't change. It doesn't matter how many different ways you phrase your contradictory scenarios, they'll remain contradictory.

--Percy


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Phat
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Message 133 of 258 (887962)
08-27-2021 9:36 PM
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08-27-2021 11:59 AM


Re: Afhghanistan and Global Perspective
What's wrong with policies that benefit the world as a whole rather than just the countries with the most economic and military power?
Because our middle class is ultimately stuck with a huge tax bill (and debt bill) that, in order to pay, will reduce our standard of living more than the folks in other countries.

It would be as if you were suddenly slapped with $100,000.00 in debt and told that you must pay it back.

You focus myopically on benefiting the US and leave the rest of the world out of your considerations
I'm not ignoring the concerns unique to the world. I'm simply in favor of not selling our own citizens down the river while the world passes us by.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 134 of 258 (887963)
08-27-2021 11:44 PM
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08-27-2021 9:36 PM


Re: Afhghanistan and Global Perspective
It would be as if you were suddenly slapped with $100,000.00 in debt and told that you must pay it back.

That's pretty much what happens whenever Republicans are elected. They give tax cuts to the very rich, and the rest of us will eventually have to pay down the resulting debt.

I'm simply in favor of not selling our own citizens down the river while the world passes us by.

Again, that is pretty much what Republicans do.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 135 of 258 (887965)
08-28-2021 12:33 AM
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08-27-2021 11:44 PM


Re: Afhghanistan and Global Perspective

(I first posted this here)

Is that Phat sitting there?

Moose


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