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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Maybe you should think that through in a positive light rather than a negative light. I consider the bottom line my ability to work - i.e. my ability to trade my skills for the necessities of life. (Maybe you've noticed that in hard times - e.g the Great Depression and even today - you'll see people with signs that read, "Will work for food.")
I have long suspected that the final currency will be concretely linked to humans and that we will be assigned a value in order to back this currency system. Phat writes:
Your fantasies are based more on right-wing politics than the Bible. The right-wing rich have a vested interest in keeping you poor.
Not sure exactly how this will play out, and I will admit to being influenced by Biblical dogmatic "fantasies" yet unproven. Phat writes:
Have you ever considered investing in bridges? They're made of metal. Again, the metals will always have value until the very "end" of this life on this planet...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Have you ever considered investing in bridges? They're made of metal. Well...bridges are certainly a better investment than walls! Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The right-wing rich have a vested interest in keeping you poor. Since you are generalizing, I can only reply in kind. The "Left Wing" rich, of which there are many (mainly urban professionals with lots of college) are not as concerned with money as they are with power. They seek to keep me responsible for higher taxes to pay off the bill and to allow them to implement the tax coffers to help the poor disenfranchised masses...whom they claim to care about yet are mainly interested in the collective vote of. And they will righteously claim that they earn their wages and that I need to stand in line behind the masses."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The "Left Wing" rich, of which there are many (mainly urban professionals with lots of college) are not as concerned with money as they are with power.
This is what the right wing propagandists are telling you. Unfortunately, you are gullible enough to believe them.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
They seek to keep me responsible for higher taxes to pay off the bill and to allow them to implement the tax coffers to help the poor disenfranchised masses... You're one of the super-rich? Then why have you been pretending all this time to be a struggling working stiff? Get a kick out of slumming much, do you? The call is to get the super-rich (and their huge corporations) to pay their share of the taxes for a change, not most of the middle class or lower. As I recall, the proposed cutoff annual income would be about $200,000. At my highest while working, I was making a bit less than half of that. What was the annual income of your false identity of a middle-class working stiff supposed to be? Now, the actual middle class (not sure where I fall now as a retired senior, except towards the side when I stand up after sitting for a while) does stand to see our taxes increase this year. Not because of anything that the Democrats or Biden have done, except for winning the election (really!). Instead, this year's planned tax increase was designed into the Republicans' Great Tax Scam of 2017. While the super-rich and corporations got over 80% of the benefits from that massive hole that Republicans blew in the deficit (and increased the debt with the country getting virtually no return on that "investment"), they did toss some table scraps to the middle class to mollify them in the form of some small tax breaks. While the cuts for the rich were made permanent, the cuts for the middle class were made deliberately temporary, started out small, and decreased every year until finally this year those "cuts" now become tax increases. So, this appears to have been their strategy for deliberately scheduling middle-class tax increases in this year after the Presidential Election. If Trump would win, they could use it as an excuse for yet another tax scam give-away to the rich as part of their "correcting" that increase for the middle class. But if Trump were to lose, then they could blame that tax increase on the Democratic President -- for that matter, they haven't hesitated to blame Biden and Pelosi for things that Trump had screwed up (eg, "Why did Pelosi not mobilize the National Guard on 06 Jan?"; uh, because she's not authorized to do that, but rather that was Trump's duty so where was Trump?). So when your taxes go up this year, please remember whom to blame for that. Oh yeah, you're super-rich. You made out like a bandit on our backs! F**k you very much, sir. Would you like another one, please? (based on yet another movie reference: Kevin Bacon's first spoken line referenced in Steve Carell's remake of "Get Smart".)
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I agree with dwise1 - your story keeps changing. You often use yourself as an example, and your situation changes according to your argument of the moment. Are you rich, middle class or poor? Have your reached a diabetic crisis point or are you healthy? Do you trust neither side's characterization of the other, or do you get all your information about both liberals and conservatives from the Republicans?
You're like a debate chameleon lately. I often feel moved to reply, but then I usually realize there's no point to replying because in no time your position will have shifted. --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I'm not, actually, so you can stop trying to duck the issue. Stop the pot-calling-the kettle-black approach and reply to what I said: Since you are generalizing....quote:Since you are (presumably) not one of them, you have no reason to defend them. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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Stop the pot-calling-the kettle-black approach ... I've heard a variation which is much more apt: "The pot calling the silverware black." IOW, accusing the other side of your own bad qualities that the other side does not in fact possess. I heard it in the context of what creationists do when you try to discuss their claims with them.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
All i'm defending is the right to get wealthy without having the crap taxed out of you.
If you take away the incentives to get wealthy, you kill the small businessman and support the poor impoverished masses....at the expense of the working class. It's the same old argument that I have defended before.If I were to make a lot of money on my silver, your ilk would likely find a way to tax me excessively for it. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Percy writes: Honestly? (Ive never been forced to take a definitive position, but here it goes!--- your story keeps changing. You often use yourself as an example, and your situation changes according to your argument of the moment. Are you rich, middle class or poor? Have your reached a diabetic crisis point or are you healthy? Do you trust neither side's characterization of the other, or do you get all your information about both liberals and conservatives from the Republicans?Percy writes: I earn roughly $27,000.00 a year. I have no real wealth except the apartment condo that my Mom left me. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
dwise1 writes: In my dreams I would love to double my income. I fear excessive taxation, but if what you say is right, I can make under $100,000 a year and still be ok. So maybe I did believe the right-wing propaganda. What was the annual income of your false identity of a middle-class working stiff supposed to be? Perhaps I agree with you guys more than I think. I believe in freedom to live comfortably rather than mandatory obligations (and taxation) to help the uneducated and unemployed poor get free handouts and stimulus checks. I say we all (under $100.000 a year) folks should get them."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Yahoo Finance writes:
---------------------------------------------------------- From 08/06/2021:BitCoin: $43,487.92 Up $2,908.06 or 7.16%. ---------------------------- Gold: $1758.40. Down $46.70 or 2.59%. ---------------------------- Silver: $24.33. Down .96 or 3.80%. From 8/11/2021:BitCoin: $45,091.65 Down $925.77 or -2.01% ---------------------------- Gold: $1751.50 Down $1.80 or .10% ---------------------------- Silver: $23.38 Down .50% I'm not at all surprised by these trends. The precious metals are forecast to rally by year-end and will explode if the stocks become spooked. The BitCoin crowd is more clueless and favors their crypto over precious metals but they too will learn a lesson in economics when that day comes. I see $100.00 silver and $3000.00+ Gold. Ringo does have a point in that when I see that level I should sell and take my profits rather than hang on and hope for $200.00 silver. The safety deposit box itself costs $50.00 a year! Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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All i'm defending is the right to get wealthy without having the crap taxed out of you.
Bullshit. You are defending the "right" of the greedy to steal from the poor.
If you take away the incentives to get wealthy, ...
Nobody is trying to take away the incentives to get wealthy.
... and support the poor impoverished masses....at the expense of the working class.
This is mostly a right wing myth. Most of the "impoverished masses" are the working class. Yes, there are other really poor people, but there are not masses of them. You presumably count yourself as working class. Yet you consistently vote for the Republicans who want higher taxes on you so that the super-wealthy can pay less.
If I were to make a lot of money on my silver, your ilk would likely find a way to tax me excessively for it.
The working stiff toils hard to earn enough to make ends meet. You want to get rich without work, by means of your gambling in silver. All we say, is that you should pay the same percentage of taxes on those capital gains as the working stiff pays on his wages. What's excessive about that?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I said in Message 136: All i'm defending is the right to get wealthy without having the crap taxed out of you.quote:You responded in Message 138 with a lot of unrelated hogwash. I repeated in Message 142:quote:and you STILL haven't addressed that. Let's try one more time:quote:Discuss. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I keep my spare change in a coffee can. The safety deposit box itself costs $50.00 a year!"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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