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Author Topic:   Climate Change Denier comes in from the cold: SCIENCE!!!
Phat
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Message 783 of 944 (884837)
03-10-2021 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 781 by jar
03-10-2021 7:00 AM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
And one more thing. Global warming damage is already ineviitable. There is no practical way that humans could prevent the damage at this point. We missed several deadlines calculated by scientists. And just as secular humanists balked at the idea that Jesus was the only way, Believers will balk at the idea that unity and consensus must be implemented and will fight that. They wont unite without Jesus. The irony and the reality.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killo
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).

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Phat
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Message 796 of 944 (884867)
03-11-2021 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 785 by jar
03-10-2021 12:21 PM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
jar writes:
Yet it is the belief in the human created fantasy Jesus that has led humans to ignore reality and still do nothing to mitigate the suffering they have caused.
So you are blaming belief in a fantasy as the cause of global warming? Global warming was and is caused through excessive use of fossil fuels. It is also caused naturally...it is accelerated through human irresponsibility. If you choose to blame a few million peoples religious fantasy as the cause of global warming you are simply out of touch with reality.
The bill will get paid and not by the pitiful and deplorable Jesus you and the CCoi created and market..
Ever heard of a scapegoat? The bill will get paid or attempted only to satisfy the creditors such as stodgy old Texans who count on wise investments to tide them through retirement. Or it may well be that our investments get wiped out in order to pay the bill. Neither an actual Jesus nor a fantasy Jesus will likely help us there. He may well ask you what you dislike about the group of people known as the CCoI. I fear the CCP far worse. At any rate, i'm sure that the real Jesus wants us to forgive those who have hurt us. And yes, global warming is a human responsibility if we are to live.
There will be wars and rumors of wars. Wars will be fought over which bills get paid and which don't. Blaming the Biblical Christians wont solve anything.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killo
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).

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Phat
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Message 803 of 944 (884884)
03-11-2021 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 798 by jar
03-11-2021 6:51 AM


Re: Far Right vs Far Left Ideology
Oh OK now I get it. But you included me in this group. I dont expect Jesus to fix anything other than my heart and mind. I realize that it is my response as well as the response of others to achieve global unity and consensus and most importantly action.
I will say, however, that there are two camps. One camp trusts Jesus.
The other camp trusts only humans. (or false deities)
jar writes:
I'm saying that all of the suffering and deaths we will see will be the result of such fantasies. It is the stupid people that expect Jesus to fix what they broke.
I don't see it as black and white as you do. Everyone...believer and unbeliever alike...have issues that can be better understood. You seem to think it is as simple as a large group of rational people vs a large group of stupid people. It isn't that simple.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killo
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).

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Phat
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Message 811 of 944 (884915)
03-13-2021 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 810 by nwr
03-11-2021 9:57 PM


From The Perspective Of Non Believers
So in other words, according to you nobody is really trusting Jesus. Got it.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killo
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).

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Phat
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Message 862 of 944 (887597)
08-12-2021 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 861 by AZPaul3
08-12-2021 6:57 PM


Re: My Reaction to Dire Predictions
AZPaul3 writes:
The drought, heat, fire, flood and on and on, will only get worse over these coming decades regardless of what we do. Major food disruptions are already happening and will only get worse. We have seen before in history the social consequences that will occur. We know how societies react to starvation and war.(...)Now imagine the opponent having all the money in the world (literally) and an iron grasp on all the major political levers in every nation in the world (literally). You will not challenge their power. Not successfully. You will not decrease their revenues or their wealth. You haven't the political power nor the political will.
Rebellion will have to happen. War will have to happen.
It's ironic how you refuse to believe in Jesus coming back. If your scenarios play out, even you will be praying for His return. When humans are under pressure and their lifestyles are threatened...as well as the livelihood of their children...then all sorts of demons will manifest. Survival knows no empathy.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 897 of 944 (893836)
04-20-2022 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 895 by AZPaul3
04-20-2022 4:20 PM


Re: Texas Toast
Thats quite an interesting cartoon! Personally, I don't believe in that pagan stuff, but the whole intellectual/empathetic point is valid.
And the science is, unfortunately, also valid. We are inevitably destined to reap what we have sown.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 909 of 944 (895025)
06-06-2022 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 906 by Percy
06-04-2022 10:58 AM


Re: Texas Toast
Thankfully he wasn't at the Bay Of Fundy!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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