Peanut Gallery Comments on Great Debate

I didn't think you'd get it.The fanciest restaurant that I've been to in Moose Jaw is the one at the gas station on the highway that stays open all night.

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I've been to Paris, it's smelly and cold
I've been to Athens, where the buildings are old
I've walked 'cross Tasmania in the antarctic dawn
But it just don't compare with ol' Saskatchewan

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'Cause I've skied in the Rockies, I've walked the white sands
I've known people who could not find their ass with both hands
I've sailed to Tahiti, seen the Northern Lights
And, babe, would you meet me in Moose Jaw tonight?

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'Cause I've sailed the deep ocean, I've flown the big sky
Traveled the Silk Road from Rome to Shanghai
Been to Sydney and Singapore and ol' Ballyhai[?]
But I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die

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We can stroll 'round the city, say 'Hi' to the cop
See the light that says 'Go' and the sign that says 'Stop'
We can walk through the village square without any fear
We can go see a movie that came out last year

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I've seen the Big Apple, the Oracle at Delphi
Wailed at the Wailing Wall, walked the Sinai
Bought hash in Amsterdam, golfed in Dubai
But I've been to Moose Jaw, kiss my ass good-bye

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Calgary's not finished and Montreal's broke
Vancouver's a hellhole, Toronto's a joke
Winnipeg's freezing the whole damn year round
And Regina actually smells like it sounds

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Please come to Moose Jaw if you don't believe me
Where you can see for miles that there's nothing to see
Our days will be perfect, our nights will be full
And each weekend we'll go to the big tractor pull

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I've been robbed blind in Rio, jailed in Paraguay
Scalped tickets in Bangkok for 'The King And I'
But I'd give up the sultan at [?] Brunei
'Cause I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die

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Wiped my ass with the Dead Sea Scrolls, tell you no lie
I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die
I did this song in Moose Jawand it died

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John Wing

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The record shows that you have an exaggerated high regard for "pastors" - certainly not justified in the case of ICANT.

And you know that's true. You don't throw your bills away and worship the envelopes.

Do you throw your bills away and keep the envelopes? Funny how that works, ain't it? But you consider them more important than the envelopes. I don't think there's any problem with the analogy. You're struggling to avoid it. You throw away Jesus' message and worship him as the Envelope that broght it.

Why would different people have different standards for salvation? If one person MUST give up all of his possessions to be saved, how can anybody else do less? Pay attention: The early church - e.g. Ananias and Sapphira - SHARED what they had. Instead of looking for loopholes like Mary and Martha, why don't you think about the ones who were KILLED for holding back? That isn't at all what Jesus said. He said to "sell what you have and give to the poor". He didn't say we have to give up control of our lives to be saved. FYI, the house is already gone. You're still not paying attention. It's about sharing what you have. Sharing what you have certainly does have a purpose - it helps the ones who have less. You really should stop denigrating "liberals" and BECOME one, like Jesus. Of course I would. You have made up a "Jesus" who never tells you to do anything hard. I ask again, why do you even call your imaginary friend "Jesus" when he doesn't even resemble Jesus? You went into a rant over reparations because you've substitiuted right-wing politics for both Christianity and humanity.

I can't be a hypocrite for not doing something I don't believe in. If I professed belief, like you do, and didn't follow up on that profession, like you don't, then I would be a hypocrite, like you are. Your "belief" is empty because you overrate the importance of the Envelope instead of paying the bill. Of course we can. It's between you and your made-up "Jesus".

Don't listen to the messenger. Listen to the message.

And you don't mind if the lower classes continue to get thoroughly fleeced, as they have since always. You don't even seem to mind being part of the fleecing as long as YOUR private hoard is protected. But the Great Depression didn't trigger class warfare, Mr. Marx. And it didn't trigger a global crisis of confidence in humanity. If anything, it awakened a lot of people to the fact that we HAVE to have confidence in humanity because we can't trust the spooks to do anything for us.

There's a clue about the cause of your "enlightenment". Ever hear, "the love of money is the root of all evil"?

You definitely do not know that. Everybody is "tested". The only difference is that you use "Satan" as an excuse.But we were talking about your obsession with gold and silver. It looks like you failed the test. Confirmation bias times ten is still confirmation bias. With no evidence, you have no basis for your conclusion.

I believe in plenty of things - democracy, charity, etc. The reason I don't believe in your particular brand of lunacy is because it's blatantly false. How is rational thinking flawed? That conclusion is well-founded. Why have you never been able to show that it's wrong? That's just a copout. Why would there be no objective proof? No it doesn't. The possibility is always there. Nope. That doesn't work. There are millions of people with different beliefs, many of them stronger than yours. YOU have rejected belief as a basis. I chide you for calling yourself a Christian when you reject almost everything Christ ever said. You even have the gall to argue against what He said. Jesus said it was 100%.

And you have completely failed to back up your claim that that idea is wrong. DO THAT before you repeat your assertion. And your complete failure to refute the idea tends to support the relativistic outlook. If it ain't relative, SHOW us. That isn't true. You have argued against what Jesus said. You have argued that he never said it. You have tried to water down what He said. You have argued that what He said is a bad idea. That's WAY beyond just being afraid to do what He said. I respect the Book, the same as I respect Treasure Island. It makes no difference whether the characters ever existed. It galls me that you have no respect for literature.(By the way. I just watched the movie Elmer Gantry again the other day. It's worth watching just for the music.) That's not an excuse. Remember Matthew 25? You will be judged by how much you accomplished, not by how often you bleated, "Lord! Lord!" False. There were the disciples. There was the lady with two mites. There was the early church (except for Ananias and Sapphira, who were killed for not doing it). In the Old Testament there was the widow who fed Elijah. In more modern times there have been monastic societies, including non-Christian ones. So stop saying it's impossible. Right back atcha. You're the one who believes in the messenger. Why do you reject the message? I don't believe in the messenger. I accept the message for other reasons. Show that it's a delusion. Show that people don't do it (keeping in mind the list of people above who DO do it). How could you conclude anything else? Bingo. We don't need Jesus. We don't HAVE Jesus doing anything for us.

Name one thing that ICANT has learned. I, for one, have more tolerance for religious philosophies than you do. I have the same tolerance for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Pastafarianism, etc. as I do for Christianity. I will point out the stupidities in all of them equally.