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Phat
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Message 211 of 214 (887728)
08-21-2021 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Percy
06-22-2021 2:56 PM


No Conclusive Evidence Of Demons
Percy writes:

Having evidence keeps people from believing things that aren't true.

This is logical. To be honest, the only evidence that I have regarding the possibility of demonic activity is found in videos and in personal observation. Were you with me at these events, you likely would suggest that either willful belief, mass crowd hypnosis, or confirmation bias pushed the people deeper into their beliefs.

Here is a zoom video of several "deliverances". I observe that the reactions do not look staged to me, though there is most definitely no evidence of anything other than a human who believes they have a demon.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 212 of 214 (887734)
08-21-2021 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Phat
08-21-2021 9:36 AM


Re: Ellen G. F***ing White? Really???
Phat writes:

ICANT is admittedly learning on the job from EvC in regards to scientific Cosmology....


Name one thing that ICANT has learned.

Phat writes:

The members here are decidedly leaning towards atheism and secular humanism and don't have any tolerance for religious philosophies.


I, for one, have more tolerance for religious philosophies than you do. I have the same tolerance for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Pastafarianism, etc. as I do for Christianity. I will point out the stupidities in all of them equally.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Percy
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Message 213 of 214 (887744)
08-21-2021 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Phat
08-21-2021 9:47 AM


Re: No Conclusive Evidence Of Demons
Yes, as your title says, there's no conclusive evidence of demons. There isn't even halfway decent evidence of demons, only really really bad poor quality evidence. You can't even give "demon" a real world definition. Wikipedia is pretty clear about it's fictional status:

quote:
A demon is a supernatural being, typically associated with evil, prevalent historically in religion, occultism, literature, fiction, mythology, and folklore; as well as in media such as comics, video games, movies, anime, and television series. In Ancient Near Eastern religions and in the Abrahamic traditions, including ancient and medieval Christian demonology, a demon is considered a harmful spiritual entity which may cause demonic possession, calling for an exorcism.

You are hopeless. You will never be able to connect ideas to real world data. Your search for reality in mysticism will forever come up dry, as has always been its history. There's no sun god, no Zeus, no Thor, no Jewish God, no Christian God, no Mormon God, no God at all, no holy ghost, no ghosts in general, no demons, no spirits, no angels, no little green men on Mars, no aliens nor abductions by them, no ether, no N-rays, no cold fusion, no Trilateral Commission running the world, and no hobbits, elves, gnomes or ogres.

Once you're able to believe in something without evidence, such as God, then it's possible to believe in anything without evidence, such as that there is evidence of God. Did you know there's more evidence for Jesus Christ than for Julius Caesar? (I hope you answered no.) Did you know there's as much evidence for Jesus Christ as for King Arthur of Camelot? (I hope you answered yes.)

Here is a zoom video of several "deliverances". I observe that the reactions do not look staged to me, though there is most definitely no evidence of anything other than a human who believes they have a demon.

You are as gullible as they come.

During your descent into absurd and baseless ramblings you may have noticed a change in how people respond to you, changing from explanatory rebuttals into mockery. There's no point rebutting you anymore, you just say, "Good point," then continue on in your incoherent nonsensical way.

You have always had this quality but until recently would only employ it in the service of encouraging serious consideration of ideas with little or no evidence. But now you just endlessly present ludicrous "evidence." There's a real world out there, try engaging with it sometime.

--Percy


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anglagard
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Message 214 of 214 (887749)
08-21-2021 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Percy
08-21-2021 2:26 PM


Re: No Conclusive Evidence Of Demons
Percy writes:

Once you're able to believe in something without evidence, such as God, then it's possible to believe in anything without evidence, such as that there is evidence of God. Did you know there's more evidence for Jesus Christ than for Julius Caesar? (I hope you answered no.) Did you know there's as much evidence for Jesus Christ as for King Arthur of Camelot? (I hope you answered yes.)

Well, Jesus didn't write books or have coins struck with his mug on them. As for King Arthur, Bede has an interesting explanation. When Rome was being sacked by the Visigoths in 410, they recalled all the legions stationed in England. As usual, a few got left behind, one who was named Arthurius. Add some telephone games and King Alfred and voila, King Arthur.

During your descent into absurd and baseless ramblings you may have noticed a change in how people respond to you, changing from explanatory rebuttals into mockery. There's no point rebutting you anymore, you just say, "Good point," then continue on in your incoherent nonsensical way.

You have always had this quality but until recently would only employ it in the service of encouraging serious consideration of ideas with little or no evidence. But now you just endlessly present ludicrous "evidence." There's a real world out there, try engaging with it sometime.

Phat himself gave us a clue, it is mental decline due to leaving his diabetes 2 untreated. I figure two years till death, the rest home, or the looney bin beset by demons in his head.

We'll see.


The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

Republican = death


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