When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?

You are still missing the point.If God is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen, and that God also has foreknowledge then the individual cannot change the outcome, choose a different path.OR that God is both evil and fallible.Phat, the God that the vast majority of US Christians worship simply cannot be defended as anything but the greatest evil imaginable.

Bullshit Phat, you really can't be as stupid as you insist on showing.If God is the creator of all, seen and unseen and has foreknowledge the the individual has no choice.There is no possible way to defend the actions of that God OR justify the fate of the victim.A God with foreknowledge who also is the creator is simply evil.Period.Full Stop.There can be no justification.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1I am NOT making any assumptions.If God is the Creator of all that is, seen and unseen ... That is not an assumption it is a claim made by Christians about the God they claim to worship.If God has foreknowledge ... That is not an assumption it is a claim made by Christians about the God they claim to worship.IF those are true then if anyone ends up damned it can only be Gods fault and responsibility.The God created the human and had foreknowledge that the human would be damned.There are no assumptions in anything in this post Phat.Maybe you simply don't even know the meaning of 'assumption'.AbE: And I have a very clear understanding of how the spiritual world works. It works by making shit up and avoiding all honesty or reality or truths.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

LOL Think Phat, you might even like it. It is not me but Ignorant Christianity that makes that claim while refusing to think about the consequences. There is no need or possible way anyone could be an advocate for the victim. God screwed the sucker and it is a done deal. No one has claimed that everyone should be saved. Stop asserting yet more falsehoods Phat.Really try to think.

The solution is really very simple. Educate people so they understand that the message is more important than the messenger; that following Jesus means DOING rather than believing; that Jesus was a socialist communist, that reality is and that the Bill Will Get Paid!

Phat try to pay attention!Really Phat, you can't be a stupid as your posts show.The problem is that the God who is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen and that has foreknowledge is EVIL for creating a human that gets damned.

Phat, you are simply posting utter nonsense while refusing to even try to address what I and others actually post.Stop it!

Have you ever read the Bible Phat?Where does it say that everything will be easy?Did God build the Ark?Did God build the graineries?Did God harvest the grain?Who had to go gather the manna and catch the quail (ever try hunting quail).Phat the bill will always get paid; the issue is how to pay it. We cannot avoid that fact.But because we have been trying to avoid paying the bill, the bill just keeps getting bigger and bigger with far more serious pain coming due.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Unfortunately it seems that far too often the leaders whether priests or prophet or elder or father or pastor or imam do not teach the followers what is actually found in their religious texts, creeds, books or scrolls. The current crop of Christian Apologetics are a great example.It's understandable since most of them seem to be selling a product and so the adage "Sell the sizzle rather than the steak" triumphs.As Phat points out, whether we are talking about the Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu or Taoist faith, the actual message is all too often a Hard Teaching and that is not an easy thing to sell.It's much easier to sell salvation if you don't have to actually do anything to get it.

Nonsense Phat; that God is evil for creating that person!You can lie about the God you market until hell freezes over so keep on keeping on.

Phat, you really are totally clueless about everything.Honestly Phat, you don't know shit!

No Phat, I do not choose to defend Lucifer.Stop lying.If the God has foreknowledge and created Lucifer then that God is evil.Period.Full stop.And Phat, you don't anger me rather you disappoint me. You can only be pitied.Edited by jar, : respond to Phat next silly posting.

Oh, Phat can see the argument but refuses to consider it since the only possible conclusion is that the God marketed by the majority of Club Christian is evil and that to actually follow Jesus teachings is hard.That ain't sizzle.

I wonder if Phat understands the significance of 'catholic'?From the 'I believes'.

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In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

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Again, that is NOT what the Bible teaches or what Jesus said repeatedly.Try actually reading the Bible Phat; you might even learn something.