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xongsmith
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Message 331 of 767 (887794)
08-22-2021 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 330 by dwise1
08-22-2021 2:57 AM


Re: Darker Future For USA
excellent, dwise!

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

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Message 332 of 767 (887800)
08-22-2021 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by dwise1
08-22-2021 2:57 AM


Re: Darker Future For USA
Another positive of food stamps is that improved nutrition leads to improved health, so food stamp recipients are better able to work and provide for their families. Poverty and poor health often go together because the cheapest foods provide a great deal of calories but not much in the way of nutrition.

We all, liberals, conservatives and the entire spectrum in between, want our nation to be strong and prosperous, which requires that the individuals making up our nation also be strong and prosperous. Wishing some portion of our citizens ill only makes the nation as a whole weaker.

--Percy


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Sarah Bellum
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Message 333 of 767 (888126)
09-05-2021 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by ringo
08-03-2021 12:10 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
On the other hand there's the James Carville philosophy that the only thing in the middle of the road is yellow lines and dead armadillos.

There's something to that: thinking that there's some sort of ideal "third way" somehow splitting the difference between opposing ideas often runs into gridlock (or worse). Imagine Abraham Lincoln "compromising" with Jefferson Davis, or Lyndon Johnson "compromising" with Ho Chi Minh or Ronald Reagan "compromising" with Mikhail Gorbachev or Joe Biden "compromising" with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


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ringo
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Message 334 of 767 (888127)
09-05-2021 2:13 PM
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09-05-2021 12:03 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Sarah Bellum writes:

On the other hand there's the James Carville philosophy that the only thing in the middle of the road is yellow lines and dead armadillos.


If the armadillos stayed on the yellow line, they'd still be alive.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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AZPaul3
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Message 335 of 767 (888129)
09-05-2021 4:31 PM
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09-05-2021 12:03 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Too often, there is the right way and the compromise way. Wisdom is knowing which is which.

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Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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jar
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Message 336 of 767 (888132)
09-05-2021 6:55 PM
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09-05-2021 4:31 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
If we had been honest and abided by the free elections held in Vietnam and cooperated with Ho tens of thousands of lives would have been saved, Vietnam would have prospered and become the major trading partner it is today decades earlier.

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AZPaul3
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Message 337 of 767 (888133)
09-05-2021 7:10 PM
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09-05-2021 6:55 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
This is one of the occurrences I was referring to. In this case, and not just in hindsight, the honest position would have been so much better.

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Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 338 of 767 (888134)
09-05-2021 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by AZPaul3
09-05-2021 7:10 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
The big takeaway is that had we cooperated with Castro back in the late 50s and Ho around the same time the benefits in terms of lives saved and suffering averted would have been even greater.

And imagine what it would have been like if we as defenders of democracy had accepted the results of the free elections in Iran instead of putting a puppet Shah in place or accepted the free elections in Nicaragua or Brazil or ...

Edited by jar, : hit wrong key


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Message 339 of 767 (888135)
09-05-2021 7:58 PM
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09-05-2021 7:29 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Are you trying to say we are rather poor (or some other epithet) in our national decision making?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 340 of 767 (888136)
09-05-2021 8:42 PM
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09-05-2021 7:58 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
AZPaul speculates:
Are you trying to say we are rather poor (or some other epithet) in our national decision making?

oh yes, We are.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 341 of 767 (888139)
09-05-2021 11:59 PM
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09-05-2021 7:29 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Leaving Mossadegh in power would have been a good idea, too.

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Message 342 of 767 (888140)
09-06-2021 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 341 by PaulK
09-05-2021 11:59 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
If we had diverted only a small percentage of what we spent in utterly stupid wars since WWII (including the stupid War on Drugs and War on Terror) into productive foreign aid; roads, health care, infrastructure; we and the whole world would have benefited.

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Message 343 of 767 (889377)
11-21-2021 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by ringo
09-05-2021 2:13 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
That's the misconception from the movie The Program that got some real people killed Not Like the Movie: A Dare Leads to Death (Published 1993)

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Message 344 of 767 (889378)
11-21-2021 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by AZPaul3
09-05-2021 4:31 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
True

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ringo
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Message 345 of 767 (889392)
11-23-2021 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 343 by Sarah Bellum
11-21-2021 1:16 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Sarah Bellum writes:

That's the misconception from the movie The Program that got some real people killed


There are several movies called "The Program". You'll have to be more specific.

And your link "Not Like the Movie: A Dare Leads to Death (Published 1993)" won't let me in.

Would it kill you to put some effort into your posts?


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-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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