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dwise1
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Message 11 of 16 (888156)
09-06-2021 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by AZPaul3
09-06-2021 7:50 PM


Re: The evil empire (Amazon.com)?
You ever see tissues in West Texas? They're green and they got needles all over them.
Don't they also sometimes cook them and eat them? I think that's called nopales.
I still have some "vivi verde" ("live green") fazzoletti (tissues) we picked up at a Coop in Italy. Made completely from recycled paper, they are off-white and a bit rough, but not too bad.
Similarly, half a century ago European toilet paper was notoriously rough. In the German TV commercials for a new plush TP, first they rubbed a peach with sandpaper to demonstrate the effect of using the other brands, then rubbed another peach with a piece of their plush TP.
 
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Of course. This is capitalism.
When you look into the mechanisms you find that cost is usually directly proportional to resource utilization. Less resources used, less cost. Unless the seller is really stupid their shipping policy is geared toward least cost which should mean less resource utilization.
First thing to note is that jar's package is not the only one being shipped. The most inefficient way to deliver everything would be send a vehicle out for every single package. The massive waste of such a ludicrous approach to shipping would just go on and on (eg, the need for a massive fleet of delivery vehicles, massive manpower demands to drive those vehicles, enormous amount of fuel expended generating massive quantities of exhaust gases, etc).
So a next step up would be to sort the packages so that all packages going out to the same place would be put in the same vehicle. Better, but still costly. Maybe also make intermediate stops along the way, but that would require the establishment of regular cross-county routes which would be costly to plan as well as costly to maintain (runs would still have to be made even for a light load).
So what most do is to set up a distribution network and route the packages to the distribution center that services the destination address. From my second grade field trip to the Post Office (late-50's; it's still there), I still remember their description of how they sort the incoming mail. The letters for within the city would be sorted for the routes. The letters for neighboring cities and rural areas (I think we still had some back then) would go into sacks that would be trucked to their post offices. The letters for out of the local area would go into another sack which would be sent to the bulk mailing centers (BMC) where they would be sorted by region and sent to those regions' BMCs where they would be sorted back down to individual communities.
Part of making all this more economical is to ship in volume: basically it costs you about the same to transport a ton of cargo from one place to another in a single vehicle than a pound of cargo (disregarding minor details). So it wasn't just jar's package that got shipped to Kentucky, but a figurative ton of other packages as well. Plus, Kentucky is where they have a distribution center which sorts everything out (a cost in and of itself) to be sent out to regional distribution centers. Those planes (I assume that they go by air) would be making those flights anyway, so by transporting in bulk they keep the overall cost down (eg, by eliminating any special handling of individual items).
So working out the cost of shipping a single individual item would undoubtedly give us different results than the cost of the entire logistical enterprise.

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Message 12 of 16 (888158)
09-06-2021 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by LamarkNewAge
09-06-2021 10:34 PM


A "warehouse" is the tissue company's holdings facility? I don't know what that means.
I worked in Navy warehouses for a decade (reserve duty one weekend a month) mainly pulling requisitions and packaging them for shipping. Needless to say, when Trump said his second stupidest thing at the start of his totally f**king up our COVID response ("We're not a shipping company", completely overlooking the primary function of the DLA (Defense Logistics Agency), perhaps the biggest shipping company ever), I had a few choice words to say about him.
Warehousing cost. One of our reserve unit's SUPPOs (Supply officer) worked for Toyota who gained fame through their use of "just-in-time" (JIT) techniques intended to minimize the amount of inventory you need to keep warehoused -- at khaki calls or reserve-weekend dining, he would set up a JIT supply line of sugar packets for our coffee, staging a new packet for each one we would pick up and use.
Included in such a system is keeping track of your bench stock so that whenever the quantity of a part dropped below a certain point, you would order more (factoring in lead time, etc) so that you would never run out of the part while still minimizing the size of your bench stock. That was also an important factor taught us in the Supply Corps UADPS class.
Now we can apply that to the disappearance of TP when the pandemic hit. In normal times, a store knows from its point-of-sale system how fast TP sells and how much they still have in stock, so they apply that to their known lead-time for ordering (if you need X amount of an item, how long before it will be delivered?) and they place the replenishment order for the TP. TP takes up a lot of space (in warehousing, space is money) while also being a low profit item.
That means that a store cannot afford to "have more in the back". Nor can a distribution center afford to keep a lot of TP warehoused, but only just enough, based on a history of past demand, to respond to replenishment orders and to trigger them to send their own replenishment orders to the factory.
So the description I heard of what happened was that there was panic buying by the public trying to hoard what they could (canned soup and pasta were also big items to disappear, along with yeast which led to a revival of sourdough baking). That threw off the stores' buying practices, so they placed sudden high demand on the distributors, which stripped them of their "just-in-time" stock so they placed sudden high demand on the factories who could churn out TP only so fast -- IOW, the factories normally work at a slow and steady that cannot respond to such sudden high demand.
But it gets weirder. There are actually two different and separate TP markets in the US: commercial and residential. Commercial is the single ply stuff you find in public restrooms and in company restrooms, while residential is what you buy for use at home. Suddenly with nobody going in to work, commercial TP was not being used and residential use skyrocketed, making the TP shortage in the stores even worse. Commercial TP factories cannot be retooled to make residential and vice-versa. Plus, there would be no financial incentive for them to do so since TP is such a low-profit item which can only make money in large bulk, which in turn would be far too expensive to store in warehouses (thus dashing any plans for a national emergency TP stockpile).
I would think that the logistics of tissues are not much different than that of TP.

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