Wow! You go almost immediately into vicious
ad hominem attacks based on your inability/refusal to read what we have actually written or a tactic of misrepresenting us whom you have immediately identified/misidentified as opponents. A sure sign that you feel threatened.
You are truly a legend in your own mind.
dwise foes not understand that illegal immigrants are not the issue.
Nor did I say that they were! I was referring to a past discussion which did concentrate on the false anti-immigration argument that illegal immigrants were draining the economy through received benefits (¿what benefits?)
without paying back into the system (eg, "without paying any taxes")
.
That example demonstrates how false such claims are. And there's no difference between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants that I can see except that legal immigrants/visa carrying foreign workers are not driven into the dark economy, plus they will be issued valid tax ID numbers and so can file income tax returns and get a refund, which illegal immigrants with fake SSNs cannot do. On top of that, legal foreign workers also pay payroll taxes (FICA: Social Security and Medicare) which they will never qualify to draw from.
And OBTW, most of the complaining that I've seen from the anti-immigration side's claims of illegal immigrants (the primary population that they oppose) not paying taxes concentrate on
income taxes. If those workers were to file income taxes, being low-income would place them in the lower 50% (income < $43,600)
which The Wrong's (AKA "the Right") own propaganda identifies as being 12% of total income and 3% of income tax revenue. And if we were to break down that lower 50% into further income sub-ranges, we would undoubtedly find income tax loss from the poorest of workers (in which illegal immigrants would be fall) to be less than 1% of income tax revenue.
But income taxes are not the only taxes. For example, even renters pay property taxes, albeit indirectly through their rents (so attempts to classify 2nd generation immigrants (some of whom are citizens by birth) as leeching off of society because of public schools are no different from the children of "non-immigrant" families
who also pay property taxes indirectly through their rents). But what really hits the poor
percentage-wise (same metric as progressive income tax rates) are
consumption taxes which include sales tax, gasoline tax, etc. Almost every single dollar earned by the poor must be spent just to provide the basic survival needs (whereas only a small portion of the riches' incomes must be so spent), so the greatest burden on income by percentage is born by the poor.
From your
Message 14The real issue is American voter perception though.
Precisely!
So many of them are being fed gross disinformation (plus some dezinformatsia). That is why I am arguing to dispel that disinformation.
I am in favor of an immigration tax (1st gen Americans starting sometime in the future).
What the hell is
that supposed to be about? What possible purpose is it supposed to serve? What possible problem is it supposed to address?
And just how the
F**K are you supposed to be able to impose and administer such a tax? Especially if your intended targets are the illegal immigrants who are, by their very nature, very difficult to track down and collect from. As the Germans taught me decades ago, "Hier geht nichts ohne Papier." ("Here, nothing works without paper.")
So then just what the
F**K are you talking about?
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