CATO Institute had a big IMMIGRATION AND NATIONAL IDENTITY survey, April 27, 2021

Although I am inactive at EvC Forum, by and large, I had to activate myself long enough to reply to this topic...as Phat...since my previous attempt at toning down the rhetoric and personal attacks was premature. (As AdminPhat) This topic is LNA's topic anyway and is not a topic I normally would be interested in except that as I moderated the topic and found myself growing more curious as to how and why LNA thought and felt, I realized that I could not moderate the topic until I understood LNA a bit better.So here I go:First, lets examine the source of the topic.
E Pluribus Unum: Findings from the Cato Institute 2021 Immigration and Identity National Survey
The survey of 2,600 U.S. adults seeks to explore and examine why Americans support or oppose a more open immigration regime.
We can all read the link and likely arrive at differing conclusions as to its relevance to us personally. Which brings up another question! So I ask the question. Who is us?
The lyrics are great!

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Us And Them
"Us And Them"
Us and them
And after all, we're only ordinary men
Me and you
God only knows it's not what we would choose to do

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"Forward!" he cried
From the rear
And the front rank died
And the general sat
And the lines on the map
Moved from side to side
Black and blue
And who knows which is which and who is who?
Up and down
And in the end, it's only round and round and round

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"Haven't you heard
It's a battle of words?"
The poster bearer cried.
"Listen, son,"
Said the man with the gun,
"There's room for you inside."

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"Well, I mean, they're gonna kill ya, so like, if you give 'em a quick sh...short, sharp shock, they don't do it again.
Dig it? I mean he got off light, 'cause I could've given him a thrashin' but I only hit him once.
It's only the difference between right and wrong, innit? I mean good manners don't cost nothing, do they? Eh?"

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Down and out
It can't be helped but there's a lot of it about

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With, without
And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about?

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Out of the way
It's a busy day
I've got things on my mind
For want of the price
Of tea and a slice
The old man died

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I bring this up as I am trying to understand where LNA is coming from. Before I address that, however, I want to read through and quote the Link

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The Cato Institute 2021 Immigration and Identity National Survey of 2,600 U.S. adults seeks to explore and examine why Americans support or oppose a more open immigration regime. Americans have complex views on the subject—views they often are unsure how to express. Most Americans have very positive views of immigration and few have outright wholly negative views. However, many Americans remain conflicted, perceiving immigration to present both immense benefits but also challenges.

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I will readily admit that in some ways I myself am racist. Or at least highly prejudiced. And I note where Lamark comments on "us" at EvC Forum. By the way, LNA...I consider *you* as one of us. AZ Paul3 helped me to do that. Thus when AZ asks LNA what He is trying to say to *us* he is reminding LNA that he too is one of us. Comments, Lamark? As a moderate to conservative spoiled old white guy who is scared to death that his wealth will decrease as a middle class American and that the rest of the world seeks the opportunity to get wealthier, I understand that what I fear needs to be better understood by myself if I am to get any closer to what God wants of me or what my fellow humans expect from me. I have no idea of the color of anyone's skin here at EvC though I do note that LNA describes EvC as a bunch of old white guys! Perhaps we are...I know that I am, and I know that a minority immigrant seeking to feel welcome here may feel anxious and a bit threatened by the white privilege that many Americans carry. Though I was at first critical of this context, I did not fully understand what you are stating, LNA. Nobody else....is that externalization of the perspective of a 1st generation immigrant who is afraid of racism in America in general? And I was too quick to suspend you. You have a high degree of emotion invested in the topic of immigration. I am curious as to why you feel this way.But let's go back to the link, shall we? Im in favor of controlled immigration for admittedly largely selfish reasons. Someone needs to pay into social security so that I can safely retire. Why not have more immigration? Or at least enough to maintain the pool of workers needed to pay into social security.

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Restrictionists: Immigration Restrictionists are more likely than immigration Expanders to be White American (77% vs. 61%) and somewhat less likely to be African American (9% vs. 12%), Latino (8% vs. 17%), or Asian American (3% vs. 7%). They tend to be older (with 55% vs. 35% over the age of 55) and are less likely to have college degrees (22% vs. 36%). They have moderate incomes and are about half as likely as Expanders to earn more than $100,000 annually (12% vs. 20%). They are more likely than Expanders to live in less populated areas (42% vs. 21% live in a small town or rural area). They are somewhat more likely to live in the Midwest (23% vs. 19%) and South (38% vs. 33%). Restrictionists also are more likely to identify as conservative (62% vs. 14%) as well as independent (33% vs. 21%) and Republican (44% vs. 12%).

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Expanders: Immigration Expanders are mostly White American (61%) but are more likely to be African American (12% vs. 9%), Latino (17% vs. 8%), and Asian American (7% vs. 3%) than Restrictionists are. Expanders are more likely than Restrictionists to have a college degree (36% vs. 22%) including post-graduate degrees (17% vs. 8%) and higher incomes (20% vs. 12% earn more than $100,000 annually). Expanders also tend to be younger (56% vs. 45% are under 45). They generally live in more densely populated areas (50% vs. 25% live in a city) They are somewhat more likely to live in the Northeast (20% vs. 17%) and West (28% vs. 22%). Expanders are more likely to identify as liberal (49% vs. 7%) and as Democrats (60% vs. 13%).

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Maintainers: Those who want to maintain immigration levels are similar in some ways to Expanders and in other ways to Restrictionists. Like Expanders, Maintainers are more racially diverse (61% White, 13% Black, 19% Latino, and 6% Asian American) than Restrictionists. But like Restrictionists, Maintainers are less likely than Expanders to have college degrees (24%). A plurality of Maintainers identifies as politically moderate (39%) and Democratic (39%). The remainder is split between identifying as conservative (32%) and liberal (22%).

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I think I would classify myself as a maintainer.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.