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ringo
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Message 392 of 895 (886602)
05-26-2021 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by Phat
05-26-2021 12:15 PM


Re: The Kingdom Of God Is Within You
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
And you put yourself above Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
Nonsense. I respect other men who have done, endured, and learned far more than I have. All I'm saying is that I believe that Jesus is more than the character in the book.
And you're putting your version above theirs.
Phat writes:
I am not so quick to judge people who ignore what He said, for we all fall short.
We may all fall short but we don't all try to argue in favor of falling short.
Phat writes:
Reminding me what the book says is not going to help me suddenly decide to believe without questioning.
It isn't "reminding". It's pointing out that you're flat-out rejectig what Jesus said. It isn't for your benefit. It's to prevent you from leading others astray.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 408 of 895 (886618)
05-27-2021 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 406 by Phat
05-27-2021 1:58 AM


Re: Point Taken
Phat writes:
I agree largely with the conclusion of the author/creator.
See? You do know what a creator is.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 425 of 895 (886672)
05-30-2021 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 424 by Phat
05-30-2021 9:31 AM


Re: DSA & Global Finance. A Real Concern
Phat writes:
I was fascinated yet annoyed concerning his theories on religion. It is where many of you got pieces parts of yours.
I have read Thomas Paine but I wouldn't call him a source of my ideas. My main takeaway (45 years later) is that people can govern themselves better than some goober across the ocean can govern them. (I'm not sure the US is a good example of that.) I do think there is a trend toward more localized decision- making, contrary to your (wishfully-thinking) fears of One World Government.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 430 of 895 (886688)
05-31-2021 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by Tangle
05-31-2021 3:38 AM


Tangle writes:
Jesus, she said, had started to "cleanse" the heavenly temple, and when he had done that, he would come to start cleansing the Earth.
Hmm.... It didn't take Him long to cleanse the temple at Jerusalem - just some yelling and whipping and turning over tables, then some curing of the blind and the lame and then He was outta there. He must be slowing down in His old age.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 432 of 895 (886690)
05-31-2021 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 431 by Phat
05-31-2021 12:27 PM


Re: Context
Phat writes:
I think in context they are referring to a Heavenly Temple rather than the earthly one mentioned thousands of years ago in the book.
I know that. My question is why does it take so much longer to cleanse the heavenly temple than the earthly one? And how did the heavenly temple get so messed up in the first place?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 438 of 895 (886702)
05-31-2021 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 434 by Phat
05-31-2021 3:38 PM


Re: Context
Phat writes:
I have arrived at an apologetic answer. I hope it satisfies the question.
First, why are you doing apologetics for SDA doctrines?
Second, the doctrine itself is beyond stupid. Jesus has already returned but he isn't here?
Third, your "living stones" idea makes no sense. 1 Peter's living stones are the good ones, not the ones that need cleansing.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 439 of 895 (886703)
05-31-2021 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 436 by Phat
05-31-2021 4:56 PM


Re: Context
Phat writes:
Tangle writes:
Why does a god need time to scrub anything?
He does not. The Living Stones (us) need time.
You contradict yourself. If the scrubbEE needs time to be scrubbed, then the scrubbER necessarily needs time to do the scrubbing. And that is not very godlike.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 446 of 895 (886721)
06-01-2021 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Phat
06-01-2021 10:32 AM


Re: Stone Temple Pilots
Phat writes:
On the contrary it is extremely godlike, provided that you choose the right one.
Haven't you told us that God is "outside of time"? Then how can He take time to do anything?
Phat writes:
Loki couldn't handle the assignment.
Since Loki isn't outside of time, he might take a little longer.
Phat writes:
Look at how God works on you. You don't even believe that He exists, yet He has impressed upon your heart the truths found in His message.
No. The message makes sense. It is impressed on most people's hearts, no matter which god they believe in. Your bills are the same, no matter who delivers them. Clearly, no god is necessary for people to understand the message.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 453 of 895 (886734)
06-02-2021 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 449 by Phat
06-02-2021 3:40 AM


Re: Context
Phat writes:
Why must all of you be doubters by nature?
You answered your own question - by nature. As anglagard suggested more eruditely, it's the way our minds work. We evolved the ability to doubt because it makes us safer in our world.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 468 of 895 (888572)
09-21-2021 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by Phat
09-21-2021 6:27 AM


Re: Creator Of All Seen & Unseen
Phat writes:
By my definition, Order equates to a set probability. Chaos is entirely chance.
Maybe you should try using the real definition.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 476 of 895 (888606)
09-23-2021 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 469 by Phat
09-21-2021 4:02 PM


Re: Creator Of All Seen & Unseen
Phat writes:
Maybe you should explain why the "real" definition is real.
The reason we define words is so we can understand what other people are talking about. If somebody says "duck", we need to have some inkling of what they mean.
So "your" definition of something is meaningless unless everybody understands what that definition is. And in that case, it isn't "your" definition at all; it's "the" definition.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 477 of 895 (888607)
09-23-2021 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 475 by Phat
09-23-2021 8:27 AM


Re: Creator Of All Seen & Unseen
Phat writes:
I get irritated at that old man because he challenges nearly everything I say.
I, on the other hand, get irritated at you because you DON'T challenge what you hear.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 496 of 895 (891739)
02-10-2022 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 485 by Phat
02-09-2022 6:31 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Phat writes:
How is it you can so confidently dismiss a Creator of all seen and unseen and fall for worshipping a bunch of stars, black holes, galaxies, other universes and more random matter and molten goo...
quote:
"We are stardust, we are golden."
-- Joni Mitchell
Phat writes:
... that you don't have to be accountable to?
Stop it. The only one who is trying to avoid accountability is you. Your made-up "Jesus" is supposed to "save" you from accountability.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 497 of 895 (891741)
02-10-2022 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by AZPaul3
02-09-2022 7:46 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
AZPaul3 writes:
Just because in my old dodderage and depression I talk to things?
I demand my inalienable old-guy right to yell at the TV.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 514 of 895 (892157)
02-28-2022 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 498 by Phat
02-16-2022 7:55 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Phat writes:
I disagree with you that Jesus expected everyone to literally give everything up.
You can disagree till the cows come home. The early church believed it and they were the ones who knew Jesus personally.
Phat writes:
If anything, he went hard on the rich young ruler because money and wealth is what was holding him back.
I't's what's holding everybody back. If you keep anything back, even one of your two mites, you're rejecting Jesus' promise to take care of you.
Phat writes:
Had Jesus wanted everyone whom He encountered to surrender all of their worldly goods, he would have commanded Mary and Martha to leave their house.
How do you know they didn't? Remember, in the early church, all goods were owned in common by the members. Before you try to use that magic bullet to disprove what Jesus said, stop and think.
Phat writes:
He would have emphasized the message more literally to all people.
He did. The widow with two mites understood it. The disciples understood it. The early church understood it. The only one it isn't "literal" enough for is you.
Phat writes:
It also bothers me why you seem to think you can get off the hook simply by being an unbeliever.
Why does that bother you when I've explained it to you a dozen times? If there is no hook, why would I be on it? and if you believe there is a hook, why wouldn't you be on it?
Phat writes:
Evidence in and of itself does not determine reality.
Yes it does.
Yes it does.
Yes it does.
Evidence is the ONLY thing that determines reality. Period.
Phat writes:
Things are often not as they seem.
Which is EXACTLY why we need evidence to separate what IS from what seems to be. Jesus may seem real to you but He isn't.
Phat writes:
And again, for those who choose not to believe, how is it you can so confidently dismiss a Creator of all seen and unseen?
Again. I don't.
Why don't you read what I write?
Phat writes:
You seem to think that the origin of all reality comes from humans.
Of course it does.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
The only one who is trying to avoid accountability is you.
It's time we put this distortion to rest once and for all.
And yet you don't. You keep lying, claiming that I am trying to avoid accountability. Stop it.
And then you come back every few days with the same old, same old attempt to avoid what Jesus told you to do. Stop it.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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