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marc9000
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Message 166 of 258 (888636)
09-25-2021 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Percy
09-24-2021 10:31 AM


If they're covering up what's going on there, how do you explain all those articles, and how did I find out about treatment of Haitians at the border and send a note of protest to the Biden/Harris White House a few days ago. And it wasn't the first one. My consistent message over the past few months has been, "This is not what I signed up for when I voted for you."

You found them because you LOOKED for them. A huge percentage of the public doesn't look for news, they get it from the background, passive sources like the half hour evening news shows. As I've said before, I monitor ABC World News Tonight fairly closely. Sometimes when ABC has some sporting event going on in that time slot, I'll switch to NBC or CBS. They're all the same. The Gabby Petito story has gotten close to a third of that shows half hour, while nothing at all is said about the Mexican border. Storms and climate change sensationalism get close to another third. Yet so many people go right on thinking that they're getting an accurate recap of the most important national and international stories of the day. When this country collapses it will be nobody's fault but the public at large.

marc9000 writes:

So many Americans who only get their news from the half hour mainstream media evening reports, have been blissfully ignorant of what's been going on.

I very much doubt that. I don't watch TV news, but they are undoubtedly covering the same stories as the "print" press, which is where I get my news.

They're not. If you'd watch and compare, you'd know.

Except for a warped cadre of Republicans, no one thinks Hunter Biden is at all relevant to national politics.

We'll see how those investigations go. They'll be mostly covered up by your sources however.

Hunter Biden with Topless 14-Year-Old Girl in Photos?

Possibly not true. But if Donald Trump Jr was in a similar situation, it would get at least 10 minutes on ABC World News Tonight.


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marc9000
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Message 167 of 258 (888638)
09-25-2021 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Percy
09-24-2021 5:02 PM


Re: Arizona Election Audit Shows Biden Won by EVEN MORE VOTES
I'm probably stating the obvious, but the purpose of the recount wasn't to find election problems. It was to give the appearance of legitimacy to the question of whether the 2020 election was rigged. Obviously it wasn't since Trump lost by even more in the recount, but by keeping the issue in the news it provided unscrupulous politicians numerous opportunities to go before television cameras and cast aspersions at both the process and the hard working people who administer it.

ABC World News Tonight certainly, gleefully reported that, including how much taxpayer money the recount cost. It was actually a small fraction of what the Mueller investigation cost of the Trump/Russian collusion hoax, in both time and money. But those reports were done differently by ABC.

Jonathan Karl used to be on ABC World News Tonight giving his White House reports most evenings. He was masterful at Trump put-downs, he was ABC's best imitation of CNN's Jim Acosta. He's supposedly getting ready for some kind of new "interview based show", but he's pretty much been out of sight ever since the presidential change. I suspect he was offered a big paid-time-off bonus if his twisted reporting helped in any way to make Trump a one term president.

Last November, two or three days after the election, Trump went on television to make "an announcement". ABC, CBS, and NBC were all right there, expecting a concession. I was watching ABC. After only a minute or two, it was clear that it wasn't a concession, it was just a few more details of recounts, challenges, etc. ABC immediately cut it off, and Muir and Karl did a little commentary and moved on to other things. I later learned that NBC and CBS cut it off at exactly the same time that ABC did. News reporters, both local and national, always have little invisible earbud things where producers tell them when breaking news happens, or when a hard break is coming up. That cut-off of Trump's speech made it clear that they all get their marching orders from ONE source, the Democrat party. "IT'S NOT A CONCESSION, IT'S NOT A CONCESSION, CUT HIM OFF NOW, CUT HIM OFF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


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Message 168 of 258 (888639)
09-25-2021 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by marc9000
09-25-2021 10:21 AM


marc9000 writes:

1. Was Hunter Biden on any ballot in the USA during the last few elections?

No, but during his dad's 8 year vice presidency, he flew on air force 2 with his dad hundreds of times to foreign countries,...

In Biden's 8 years as vice president he flew on Air Force 2 hundreds of times to foreign countries? At least every 10 days? And for your numbers to make sense on most of those occasions he took Hunter with him? Wow! Congratulations on finding this information, which was where?

...with secret service protection.

Of course Hunter would have been the beneficitiary of Secret Service protection whenever he was with his father, but are you saying he had it even when he wasn't with his father? Where did you find this out? Wouldn't someone involved in nefarious activity want to avoid the inevitable attention of traveling with the second most powerful man in the world and being surrounded by a Secret Service detail?

He influenced access to "the big guy", for his own personal gain.

If Hunter controlled access to his father to his personal benefit then that is wrong. And you found this information where?

2. Is Hunter Biden planning on running in any election in the future?

Of course not. What he does is dependent on being out of the spotlight. The mainstream media co-operates.

And given that Hunter Biden doesn't hold political office and isn't running for political office, why should he be in the media spotlight?

3. Has anyone in the US recently officially voted for Hunter Biden?

No, but as the following links show, he could very well have [have had] more influence in U.S. politics than many who have been officially voted for.

Can you provide examples of this influence, something more than unverifiable tales circulating in the right-wing echo chamber?

4. Is Hunter Biden in any current White House cabinet position?

No. He wasn't when his dad was vice president, and he's not now. It's taken years for his political activity to surface at a few obscure news sources now,...

There's usually a good reason that obscure news sources are obscure. Oh, wait, I bet they're letting you in on secret information that only they are privy to from their offices in East Outer Oshkosh.

...who knows what he's up to at the present.

From Wikipeida:

quote:
Biden currently works as a full-time artist. In February 2020, The New York Times reported that Biden, with no formal art training, had been painting as an "undiscovered artist" in his Hollywood Hills home. The report also displayed some of his paintings including "Untitled #4 (a study in ink)" and "Untitled #3 (a signed work)". Biden's art dealer, Georges Bergès, plans to host a private viewing for Biden in Los Angeles in Fall 2021, followed by an exhibition in New York.

He gets less attention from the mainstream media and their allies in Hollywood now than little Baron Trump did when Trump was president.

He doesn't seem to be doing anything that merits any attention at all.

5. Does Hunter Biden currently serve as a paid Special Advisor to the current President?

Not that's being reported.

So you prefer innuendo to facts. "Does Hunter Biden beat his wife?" "Not that's being reported."

The fact is that there's nothing on Hunter Biden at this time other than a Justice Department investigation into his business dealings with China and his taxes. Investigators should follow the evidence where it leads, and if they find anything then they should pursue all legal remedies.

But there's no reason for anyone to care much about Hunter Biden, except for those hoping to find embarrassing connections to President Biden.

But the chances seem better that he's paid from foreign interests.

You do love to drop baseless innuendo.

It's true that 2 of those links are from CNN, a branch of the mainstream media. But that's news that people have to look for, to seek out, and that's not how a huge percentage of Americans get their news.

According to similarweb, CNN is the top news website in the US that isn't an aggregator. It's hard to get a useful ranking of TV news programs because Tucker Carlson is top rated, and that's not a news program but political entertainment. I was trying to find how Fox News Primetime measures up against the other networks news programs but wasn't able to find that information in just a couple searches and had to give up due to lack of time.

ABC World News Tonight claims it is not only the most watched news show, it's the most watched of ALL television shows, and that's probably true. It's a 'passive' news source, it often comes on right after local news, when people are checking on local events and weather, and left on in the background, and on television sets at Wal-Marts, airports etc. That's where so much 'lying by omission' goes on.

Yes, Marc, we know, you hate ABC World News Tonight so much you watch it all the time so that you can come here and complain about it in detail. TV news doesn't appeal to me personally and I don't watch it, except for one or two of the Sunday news programs every week. I particularly like Chris Christie on ABC This Week's discussion panel.

--Percy


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Message 169 of 258 (888641)
09-25-2021 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by jar
09-25-2021 10:54 AM


Re: Arizona Election Audit Shows Biden Won by EVEN MORE VOTES
jar writes:

Now all the other counties should be audited.

The Cyber Ninja report identified moving from one jurisdiction to another as the most critical problem affecting 23,344 ballots in Maricopa county. But USPS keeps a database of change-of-address forms, and it seems like this would catch most of this. Disinterest in being dishonest would catch most of the rest. Being prosecuted for election fraud is another discouragement. So I think in reality this is a minor issue. Does anyone know more about it?

--Percy


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Message 170 of 258 (888642)
09-25-2021 12:54 PM
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09-25-2021 12:28 PM


Re: Arizona Election Audit Shows Biden Won by EVEN MORE VOTES
There’s an official answer from Maricopa County, starting here:

In short, military and overseas voters are allowed to vote in Federal elections, the address on their ballot would be their last US address. Some people move house around the time of the vote. In addition college students and old folks heading south for the winter will be elsewhere.


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marc9000
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Message 171 of 258 (888643)
09-25-2021 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Percy
09-25-2021 12:04 PM


In Biden's 8 years as vice president he flew on Air Force 2 hundreds of times to foreign countries? At least every 10 days? And for your numbers to make sense on most of those occasions he took Hunter with him? Wow! Congratulations on finding this information, which was where?

Most of this information is in this vid. You'll find the reference to hundreds of trips shortly after the 3 minute mark.

Of course Hunter would have been the beneficitiary of Secret Service protection whenever he was with his father, but are you saying he had it even when he wasn't with his father?

No I'm not saying that. He probably just had it at during he and his father's most corrupt moments, but I don't know the details of how SS protection works for vice president's children.

Wouldn't someone involved in nefarious activity want to avoid the inevitable attention of traveling with the second most powerful man in the world and being surrounded by a Secret Service detail?

Attention? When they're out of the country? When the news media they own is going to cover up anything suspicious?

marc9000 writes:

He influenced access to "the big guy", for his own personal gain.

If Hunter controlled access to his father to his personal benefit then that is wrong. And you found this information where?

quote:
JOE Biden is "the big guy" in for a 10 percent cut in a business deal with a Chinese energy firm discussed in his son Hunter's leaked emails, according to a person involved in the talks.

Joe 'named in Hunter email as "Big Guy" who'd get cut in deal with Chinese firm'

And given that Hunter Biden doesn't hold political office and isn't running for political office, why should he be in the media spotlight?

Because, as is described in the above video, he's been proven to be a dope-head, a drunk, and the strong possibility of him not being in full control of his senses as he's on these political overseas trips could result in dangerous leaks of classified information.

Can you provide examples of this influence, something more than unverifiable tales circulating in the right-wing echo chamber?

You'll immediately dismiss anything I provide as unverifiable tales, since you want them to be verified by the Democrat owned news media. There are many Fox Business clips on youtube like the one above, not all of them feature news editors like that one. Some feature congressmen, senators, and other commentators who make it their business to find out what the truth actually is.

There's usually a good reason that obscure news sources are obscure. Oh, wait, I bet they're letting you in on secret information that only they are privy to from their offices in East Outer Oshkosh.

Looks like 20% of Biden voters are making them less and less obscure all the time.

Biden currently works as a full-time artist. In February 2020, The New York Times reported that Biden, with no formal art training, had been painting as an "undiscovered artist" in his Hollywood Hills home. The report also displayed some of his paintings including "Untitled #4 (a study in ink)" and "Untitled #3 (a signed work)". Biden's art dealer, Georges Bergès, plans to host a private viewing for Biden in Los Angeles in Fall 2021, followed by an exhibition in New York.

Who makes more, an artist, or someone who makes multi million dollar deals with foreign countries? Ya think there's a possibility he might have a side job or two, now that dad is president, and not just vice president?

He doesn't seem to be doing anything that merits any attention at all.

Doesn't seem that way to Democrats, who don't want to see it.

The fact is that there's nothing on Hunter Biden at this time other than a Justice Department investigation into his business dealings with China and his taxes. Investigators should follow the evidence where it leads, and if they find anything then they should pursue all legal remedies.

And the half our evening newscasts won't say a word.

But there's no reason for anyone to care much about Hunter Biden, except for those hoping to find embarrassing connections to President Biden.

Not embarrassing ones, dangerous ones.

According to similarweb, CNN is the top news website in the US that isn't an aggregator.

An "aggregator", what in the world is that? Not what it seems apparently.

quote:
Aggregator - someone or something that gathers together materials from a variety of sources

Definition of AGGREGATOR

Similarweb sure has that right, CNN sure doesn't gather materials from a variety of sources, only sources favorable to the Democrat party.

It's hard to get a useful ranking of TV news programs because Tucker Carlson is top rated, and that's not a news program but political entertainment.

Carlson is no more political entertainment than most everything on CNN, or even the half hour evening "news" programs.

Yes, Marc, we know, you hate ABC World News Tonight so much you watch it all the time so that you can come here and complain about it in detail.

I watch it to be informed, to compare it to other news sources, and to draw my own conclusions about what's actually going on.


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Message 172 of 258 (888644)
09-25-2021 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by PaulK
09-25-2021 12:54 PM


Re: Arizona Election Audit Shows Biden Won by EVEN MORE VOTES
In short, military and overseas voters are allowed to vote in Federal elections, the address on their ballot would be their last US address. Some people move house around the time of the vote. In addition college students and old folks heading south for the winter will be elsewhere.

Another example was leading up to either the 2016 or the 2018 election. (Calif.) One evening my friend and I were discussing how Republicans were exploiting such irregularities in order to purge those "certain people" from the rolls. Basically, the problem/question involves how voter registrars maintain and update those rolls. My understanding is that California does it through the DMV, so when you put in a changed of address with the DMV then your voter registration also gets updated.

So on a whim, we went on-line with the counter registrar to verify our own registration. Mine was good (been living here over 15 years), but hers was at an old address (since 2008, she rents and has moved a couple times). She updated her information on the spot.

So that's an artifact of the system and not an indication of voters seeking to cheat. It indicates that the registrars have to do their job to keep their rolls current, whatever that would take.

 
As for whether Cyber Ninjas have any clue about how elections work, they obviously don't. One of their other "critical" concerns was about a server that was "plugged into the wall" and "who owns and controls that wall?" Translated from clueless-speak, they were talking about a server that was connected to the Internet. County officials tried to explain to them repeatedly that that server housed their web site, so of course it's connected to the Internet, but it is not connected to the election system. The computers in the election system network are air-gapped, meaning that they are not connected to the Internet.

Other coverage indirectly quoted Cyber Ninjas as not believing their own conclusions that the election results were valid and kept grousing that they're sure that something fishy was going on but they just couldn't figure out what (that's mainly fueled by their desired outcome and their ignorance of how any part of an election actually works). There's also been mentioned that the DOJ informed them that it would want to discuss this travesty with them, so that apparently was enough to keep them half-way honest.

But for me, the really big question concerns the money wasted, the violation of the chain-of-custody of the ballots, and the millions of dollars this fraud will cost the county as they have to buy all new voting machines to replace the ones that Cyber Ninjas have irreparably compromised. Somebody will need to foot that bill and I think that it should be Cyber Ninjas and the idiots who hired and aided them, not the taxpayers in the county.

They broke it; they bought it!

Edited by dwise1, : ABE: "They broke it; they bought it!"


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Message 173 of 258 (888645)
09-25-2021 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Percy
09-25-2021 12:04 PM


marc9000 writes:

No, but during his dad's 8 year vice presidency, he flew on air force 2 with his dad hundreds of times to foreign countries,...


In Biden's 8 years as vice president he flew on Air Force 2 hundreds of times to foreign countries? At least every 10 days? And for your numbers to make sense on most of those occasions he took Hunter with him? Wow! Congratulations on finding this information, which was where?

One of the very few contributions that Trump and the Trumpanisti will be able to offer would be an entirely new branch of mathematics similar to Douglas Adam's contribution from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, bistromatics, based on the observed phenomenon that all of mathematics break down when trying to calculate what each person sharing a restaurant bill actually owes -- " ... numbers are not absolute, but depend on the observer's movement in restaurants":

quote:
The third and most mysterious piece of non-absoluteness of all lies in the relationship between the number of items on the bill, the cost of each item, the number of people at the table, and what they are each prepared to pay for. (The number of people who have actually brought any money is only a sub-phenomenon in this field.)

The baffling discrepancies which used to occur at this point remained uninvestigated for centuries simply because no one took them seriously. They were at the time put down to such things as politeness, rudeness, meanness, flashiness, tiredness, emotionality, or the lateness of the hour, and completely forgotten about on the following morning. They were never tested under laboratory conditions, of course, because they never occurred in laboratories - not in reputable laboratories at least.

And so it was only with the advent of pocket computers that the startling truth became finally apparent, and it was this:

Numbers written on restaurant bills within the confines of restaurants do not follow the same mathematical laws as numbers written on any other pieces of paper in any other parts of the Universe.

This single fact took the scientific world by storm. It completely revolutionized it. So many mathematical conferences got held in such good restaurants that many of the finest minds of a generation died of obesity and heart failure and the science of math was put back by years.

Slowly, however, the implications of the idea began to be understood. To begin with it had been too stark, too crazy, too much what the man in the street would have said, "Oh yes, I could have told you that," about. Then some phrases like "Interactive Subjectivity Frameworks" were invented, and everybody was able to relax and get on with it.

The small groups of monks who had taken up hanging around the major research institutes singing strange chants to the effect that the Universe was only a figment of its own imagination were eventually given a street theatre grant and went away.


This new Trumpian branch of mathematics would be based on the observable phenomenon that every time Trump repeats a number, it grows immensely. This is especially true of large-enough initial numbers (a possible rule-of-thumb would be to also count all the fingers and toes in the room to get a lower bound above which that large-enough initial number would lie -- counting noses leads to initial-number lower bounds that are far too small).

In this example, Hunter flew on Air Force Two maybe a few times, so as per Trumpian protocol marc's Trumpanista sources rapidly inflated that number, inflating it even further every time it passed hands like a VAT tax gone crazy.

The rate of growth of numbers in these Trumpian series is rapid, but they don't seem to fit any kind of existing growth curves. They're not periodic and they're not quite exponential and they are most definitely not logarithmic. So what kind of curve would they be?

I'm inclined to consider a crazy-straw curve as a likely candidate, though that would immediately prevent calculus from being able to deal with Trumpian math. The definition of a function in calculus requires that a function has no more than one and only one value for any given value of the independent variable. Since curves in Trumpian math would violate that basic component in the definition of functions, that would mean that there could not be any functions in Trumpian math -- and since calculus is based on working with functions, therefore calculus could not be used to deal with Trumpian math, QED.

So since Trumpian functions would be non-existent, we would have to come up with something else. Such as Trumpian dysfunctions, which sounds rather descriptive of Trumpism's entire sordid mess.

Edited by dwise1, : Minor wording clean-up to yield: "One of the very few contributions that Trump and the Trumpanisti will be able to offer would be ... "


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Message 174 of 258 (888663)
09-26-2021 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by marc9000
09-25-2021 10:33 AM


Re: Poll numbers
marc9000 writes:

Yes I saw that, it's a good start. But I suspect you're not yet ready to agree with at least some of that 20% that Trump would have been the better choice.

You cited the Washington Examiner citing a Zogby poll. Back when every other poll had Trump's approval rating in the low 40's, Zogby had him above 50%. That poll has a well established reputation for inaccuracy in a conservative direction.

I don't see why anyone would think Trump a better choice given that he's still eroding our Democratic institutions by continuing to claim the election was rigged, most recently by lying about the content of the Cyber Ninja's report of their Maricopa County Forensic Election Audit.

Trump doesn't initiate lawsuits and investigations to get to the truth. He doesn't care about truth, just his skill at lying.

I have no doubt that if Trump had been re-elected, by now he would have also done a pull-out in Afghanistan, and it would have been a comparable mess. There have been articles of impeachment drawn up against Biden by a few Republicans, but they'll fizzle out, they get no mainstream media attention. Of course Trump would have had yet another impeachment frenzy against him, and he probably would have been removed from office by now. See how much fun you missed?

This is just fantasy. There's nothing about Afghanistan that's impeachable.

There is one major difference in how Trump would have done a pull out however, HE WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN THE TALIBAN $83 BILLION IN MILITARY HARDWARE. No action in any Trump administration would have put the U.S. in this much additional danger.

I don't know that Trump would have handled the withdrawal much better than Biden. He's very impulsive. Trump withdrew suddenly from fighting ISIS leaving the Kurds and other allies in the lurch in exactly the same way that Biden left Afghanistan leaving those who helped us in the lurch. Trump's a screw up and so would likely have screwed up the Afghanistan withdrawal. He wouldn't really care how bad it was since he knows he'd just lie and say what a fantastic job he did in Afghanistan, that even those living in hiding or who've had their hands cut off are thanking him.

--Percy


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Message 175 of 258 (888664)
09-26-2021 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by marc9000
09-25-2021 10:59 AM


marc9000 writes:

If they're covering up what's going on there, how do you explain all those articles, and how did I find out about treatment of Haitians at the border and send a note of protest to the Biden/Harris White House a few days ago. And it wasn't the first one. My consistent message over the past few months has been, "This is not what I signed up for when I voted for you."

You found them because you LOOKED for them.

Of course I did a search for them. You've forgotten what you claimed. You said "there have been very few mainstream media reports of the increasing problems of the Mexican border." I had no trouble finding plenty of them. Clearly you were wrong.

In addition, I knew about the problems at our southern border for another reason that proves you wrong: they made headlines. What on Earth happened to your brain to make you think the media wasn't reporting it.

A huge percentage of the public doesn't look for news, they get it from the background, passive sources like the half hour evening news shows.

But you can't claim the mainstream media isn't covering news about our southern border just because half hour TV news programs are giving it insufficient attention, which we don't know is true since we only have your word for it. Your claims are usually less than trustworthy.

I don't know why you waste your time watching TV news if you don't like it so much. I don't like it, either. I get my news from websites where the information is much denser and can be found and absorbed much faster. The ones I read in approximate order of how often:


(The Wall Street Journal would be on the list were it not behind a paywall)

Except for a warped cadre of Republicans, no one thinks Hunter Biden is at all relevant to national politics.

We'll see how those investigations go. They'll be mostly covered up by your sources however.

Yeah, right, just like all the other recent news about the administration was covered up. You can't refer to anything that can be looked up with a simple Google search as "covered up."

Hunter Biden with Topless 14-Year-Old Girl in Photos?

Possibly not true. But if Donald Trump Jr was in a similar situation, it would get at least 10 minutes on ABC World News Tonight.

If you really believe ABC World News Tonight is so terrible at vetting information, why do you watch it?

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : No reason given.


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Message 176 of 258 (888666)
09-26-2021 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by marc9000
09-25-2021 11:25 AM


Re: Arizona Election Audit Shows Biden Won by EVEN MORE VOTES
marc9000 writes:

ABC World News Tonight certainly, gleefully reported that, including how much taxpayer money the recount cost.

The Mueller investigation was an actual investigation. It took 2 years and cost around $12 million. The partisan Maricopa recount was just a recount. They usually take a few days at most, but this one took nearly six months and in addition to the cost of the recount itself will likely cost Arizonans a great deal more because Cyber Ninja procedures made such a mess of things and opened numerous security holes: Arizona could face a more than $9 million clean up bill after a partisan election audit

It was actually a small fraction of what the Mueller investigation cost of the Trump/Russian collusion hoax, in both time and money.

The eventually total cost of the Maricopa recount, a mere recount, could eventually exceed $10 million. The only hoax in the Russia investigation was William Barr's misrepresentation of the content of the Mueller report.

But those reports were done differently by ABC.

No doubt, because one was based on fact and the other on fiction.

Last November, two or three days after the election, Trump went on television to make "an announcement". ABC, CBS, and NBC were all right there, expecting a concession. I was watching ABC. After only a minute or two, it was clear that it wasn't a concession, it was just a few more details of recounts, challenges, etc. ABC immediately cut it off, and Muir and Karl did a little commentary and moved on to other things. I later learned that NBC and CBS cut it off at exactly the same time that ABC did. News reporters, both local and national, always have little invisible earbud things where producers tell them when breaking news happens, or when a hard break is coming up. That cut-off of Trump's speech made it clear that they all get their marching orders from ONE source, the Democrat party. "IT'S NOT A CONCESSION, IT'S NOT A CONCESSION, CUT HIM OFF NOW, CUT HIM OFF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I can believe that coverage of what they were led to believe would be a concession was cut short when it turned out to be Trump repeating his baseless claims of election rigging. About "invisible earbuds," I don't need any convincing that on-air reporters have earbuds because they're very frequently very visible - I've seen them uncountable numbers of times.

By the way, I couldn't find anything like your quote in news stories about a non-concession speech, but I did find one about NewsMax cutting someone off: ‘Cut Him Off, Cut Him Off Now!’ Newsmax Anchor Ends Interview When Guest Criticizes Donald Trump

--Percy


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Message 177 of 258 (888667)
09-26-2021 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Percy
09-26-2021 11:58 AM


Re: Poll numbers
marc9000 writes:

There is one major difference in how Trump would have done a pull out however, HE WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN THE TALIBAN $83 BILLION IN MILITARY HARDWARE. No action in any Trump administration would have put the U.S. in this much additional danger.


I don't know that Trump would have handled the withdrawal much better than Biden. He's very impulsive. Trump withdrew suddenly from fighting ISIS leaving the Kurds and other allies in the lurch in exactly the same way that Biden left Afghanistan leaving those who helped us in the lurch. Trump's a screw up and so would likely have screwed up the Afghanistan withdrawal. He wouldn't really care how bad it was since he knows he'd just lie and say what a fantastic job he did in Afghanistan, that even those living in hiding or who've had their hands cut off are thanking him.

In fact, Trump pulled us out of Syria so fast that our soldiers' half-eaten meals were left on the mess hall tables. When Russia moved into our abandoned bases, they literally ate our lunch!

One really big difference with a Trump pull-out from Afghanistan would have been to leave Afghans behind. Biden evacuated over 10,000 Afghans, trying to concentrate mainly on those who had helped us and their families. Trump would have tried to leave all of them behind.

Another point that marc got wrong was that that military hardware that the Taliban captured was from the Afghan Army whom we had supplied. I guess that marc would have wanted us to not have armed the Afghan Army whom we formed and trained and supplied as a deterrent against the Taliban. Our worst mistake in Afghanistan was made repeatedly from the start:
we failed to understand the Afghan people and culture, which is very highly tribal and resistant to loyalty to a central government such as we were trying to establish. No wonder the Afghan Army laid down their arms and invited the Taliban in.

There was also our forces' own military equipment that they had to leave behind, but those were rendered inoperative before being abandoned. That is SOP when making a hasty withdrawal (refer to the scene in the recent movie, 1917, as the two British soldiers were in the abandoned German trenches walking past German artillery pieces whose barrels had been destroyed).

This is just fantasy. There's nothing about Afghanistan that's impeachable.

It does raise an important point about impeachments: Republicans attempt to impeach a Democrat president on complete bullshit grounds while Democrats do it for very good reasons (eg, Trump's failed attempt to overthrow the government). When Obama was in office, they tried ten times to impeach him, each time for bullshit reasons (mainly out of fake outrage -- I think one was related to their total meltdown over Obama having worn a tan suit, but when Mitch McConnell wore a tan suit this year we didn't hear a peep from them which demonstrates what total hypocrites they are). When Clinton was impeached, it was on perjury charges that Brett Kavanaugh had engineered to entrap him with highly salacious questions containing highly detailed and graphic descriptions of sexual activities. IOW, even more Republican BS.

With Trump it was different because his flagrant criminality practically forced us to impeach him. Twice! The second time as he was walking out the door since his crimes against the nation were too severe to ignore. Note also that in both impeachment trials, we were able to make detailed and convincing arguments based on solid evidence against him which his defenders refused to go near and instead just lied as they whined about process. Republicans even admitted to the strength of the compelling case against Trump, which is the reason they gave against calling witnesses. They just weren't going to vote to convict and remove him. But in the entire history of presidential impeachment trials, the members of President's own party have never voted to convict, until Mitt Romney's vote in Trump's second impeachment trial. Not only does Trump go down in the history books for having been impeached twice, but also for being the first President to have received a bipartisan vote to convict.

Now not only should Trump be indicted and tried for seditious conspiracy relating to the failed 06 Jan coup attempt, but there are still those ten counts of obstruction of justice detailed in the Mueller Report. As well as that FBI counter-intelligence investigation into Trump's connections with Russia that we were promised (it had started at the same time as the Mueller investigation with Mueller's team forwarding evidence to it, but Rob Rosenstein had secretly disbanded that investigation very shortly after it had started, which we only learned about this past year). So there's still the need to follow up on the massive collusion between Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia.


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Message 178 of 258 (888668)
09-26-2021 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by marc9000
09-25-2021 1:26 PM


marc9000 writes:

In Biden's 8 years as vice president he flew on Air Force 2 hundreds of times to foreign countries? At least every 10 days? And for your numbers to make sense on most of those occasions he took Hunter with him? Wow! Congratulations on finding this information, which was where?

Most of this information is in this vid. You'll find the reference to hundreds of trips shortly after the 3 minute mark.

How gullible are you, Marc? The lady says Hunter Biden traveled with his father on Air Force 2 four hundred times. That's one trip every week. It's hard to believe Joe Biden traveled 400 times in 8 years. Maybe he did, but I could find no confirmation of that.

Do you actually believe that Hunter Biden traveled with him 400 times? Given Fox News' reputation for peddling propaganda, don't you think just a smidge of skepticism is called for? If not then how many trips would start making you skeptical? After all, Joe must have made more trips without Hunter than with him, so if the Fox News person's information is accurate then Joe must have made at least 800 trips or two a week. Is this at least beginning to sound absurd to you?

Of course Hunter would have been the beneficitiary of Secret Service protection whenever he was with his father, but are you saying he had it even when he wasn't with his father?

No I'm not saying that. He probably just had it at during he and his father's most corrupt moments, but I don't know the details of how SS protection works for vice president's children.

During any vice-president's term in office it would have been impossible for anyone with him to not be within the sphere of Secret Service protection, so you haven't said anything that isn't true of all vice presidents. You certainly have no evidence of "corrupt moments." You appear to view your messages as opportunities to just make stuff up.

quote:
JOE Biden is "the big guy" in for a 10 percent cut in a business deal with a Chinese energy firm discussed in his son Hunter's leaked emails, according to a person involved in the talks.

Joe 'named in Hunter email as "Big Guy" who'd get cut in deal with Chinese firm'

Your source is a British tabloid. Is there any source so dubious or claims so outlandish you won't accept it?

And given that Hunter Biden doesn't hold political office and isn't running for political office, why should he be in the media spotlight?

Because, as is described in the above video, he's been proven to be a dope-head, a drunk, and the strong possibility of him not being in full control of his senses as he's on these political overseas trips could result in dangerous leaks of classified information.

You still have no evidence Hunter Biden traveled on numerous "political overseas trips" on Air Force 2, let alone that any classified information was leaked. Why would Hunter Biden be privy to any classified information?

Can you provide examples of this influence, something more than unverifiable tales circulating in the right-wing echo chamber?

You'll immediately dismiss anything I provide as unverifiable tales,...

That's kind of a tautology. When you spread tales that are unsupported and unverifiable, people are likely to dismiss them as unsupported and unverified.

...since you want them to be verified by the Democrat owned news media.

You haven't provided verification from any media at all.

There are many Fox Business clips on youtube like the one above, not all of them feature news editors like that one. Some feature congressmen, senators, and other commentators who make it their business to find out what the truth actually is.

That clip you provided above from Fox Business had a woman saying that Hunter Biden had flown with the vice president 400 times, frankly just not even close to credible, and I've seen clips from Fox numerous times where they lie or are misleading. Are they still saying the election was rigged? Remember when they were telling everyone not to wear masks, and then in a one day turn-around suddenly they were saying the opposite?

Biden currently works as a full-time artist. In February 2020, The New York Times reported that Biden, with no formal art training, had been painting as an "undiscovered artist" in his Hollywood Hills home. The report also displayed some of his paintings including "Untitled #4 (a study in ink)" and "Untitled #3 (a signed work)". Biden's art dealer, Georges Bergès, plans to host a private viewing for Biden in Los Angeles in Fall 2021, followed by an exhibition in New York.

Who makes more, an artist, or someone who makes multi million dollar deals with foreign countries? Ya think there's a possibility he might have a side job or two, now that dad is president, and not just vice president?

Do you have anything besides innuendo?

The fact is that there's nothing on Hunter Biden at this time other than a Justice Department investigation into his business dealings with China and his taxes. Investigators should follow the evidence where it leads, and if they find anything then they should pursue all legal remedies.

And the half our evening newscasts won't say a word.

Bet me money that TV news won't mention an indictment of Hunter Biden.

But there's no reason for anyone to care much about Hunter Biden, except for those hoping to find embarrassing connections to President Biden.

Not embarrassing ones, dangerous ones.

There you go with the innuendo again. You just like to make up aspersions.

According to similarweb, CNN is the top news website in the US that isn't an aggregator.

An "aggregator", what in the world is that? Not what it seems apparently.

Google News is an aggregator. They collect and organize links to news articles. Yahoo! News is another aggregator.

Similarweb sure has that right, CNN sure doesn't gather materials from a variety of sources, only sources favorable to the Democrat party.

The page I referred you to doesn't say anything like that. This is just you making things up again.

It's hard to get a useful ranking of TV news programs because Tucker Carlson is top rated, and that's not a news program but political entertainment.

Carlson is no more political entertainment than most everything on CNN, or even the half hour evening "news" programs.

You actually believe you're getting factually accurate news when you watch Tucker Carlson?

Yes, Marc, we know, you hate ABC World News Tonight so much you watch it all the time so that you can come here and complain about it in detail.

I watch it to be informed, to compare it to other news sources, and to draw my own conclusions about what's actually going on.

That would be nice were it true, but the only thing we hear from you about ABC World News Tonight is complaints. You don't seem to draw upon any factual sources at all for your information.

--Percy


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Message 179 of 258 (888678)
09-27-2021 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Pressie
09-25-2021 10:35 AM


So, Marc, with all the no answers you gave it seems as if Hunter Biden is irrelevant to US national politics.

So to arrive at a conclusion about something, you rely ONLY on one-word answers, to questions that ONLY you ask, and disregard ALL other information? You fit in well with today's Democrat party.


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Message 180 of 258 (888679)
09-27-2021 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Percy
09-26-2021 11:58 AM


Re: Poll numbers
You cited the Washington Examiner citing a Zogby poll. Back when every other poll had Trump's approval rating in the low 40's, Zogby had him above 50%. That poll has a well established reputation for inaccuracy in a conservative direction.

A case can be made that every poll has inaccuracy in one political direction or the other. If you don't believe Biden is severely dropping in popularity, then we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it there. If you'd work with me a little better on that idea, our discussions could be much more tidy and concise. That's what I'm going to do, agree to disagree when we're at a common, obvious, never ending liberal versus conservative phase in our discussion, so then you can accuse me of "running out of ammunition".

I don't see why anyone would think Trump a better choice given that he's still eroding our Democratic institutions by continuing to claim the election was rigged, most recently by lying about the content of the Cyber Ninja's report of their Maricopa County Forensic Election Audit.

It's not erosive to an institution to question if it's still being conducted in a proper way. For decades we've witnessed on news reports instances of intimidation, violence, bullying, threats, etc at polling places in some third world countries, dictatorships, communist countries. In the 2020 election, we saw the beginnings of that exact same thing here in the U.S. Today's ever increasing population, this unprecedented influx of illegals, the increasing unreliability of our U.S. ground postal system, the increasing complications of new, often unproven methods of electronic vote counting, combined with the Democrat party's knee-jerk opposition to ANY revised form of voter I.D, makes it imperative for every effort to be made to keep a careful eye on how our elections are conducted.

Democrats know that illegals, who are poor and uneducated and unconcerned about U.S history, are much more likely to vote for a socialist, big government platform than for a small government one. They know the illegals won't look at the long-term picture, they just want free stuff now. If you want to tell me that Democrats are super honest and would never want to accept an illegal vote, okay. It's just another thing we'd have to agree to disagree on. My view has more evidence that yours.

marc9000 writes:

I have no doubt that if Trump had been re-elected, by now he would have also done a pull-out in Afghanistan, and it would have been a comparable mess. There have been articles of impeachment drawn up against Biden by a few Republicans, but they'll fizzle out, they get no mainstream media attention. Of course Trump would have had yet another impeachment frenzy against him, and he probably would have been removed from office by now. See how much fun you missed?

This is just fantasy. There's nothing about Afghanistan that's impeachable.

Allowing over $80 billion in U.S. military equipment to fall into the hands of one of the most vicious enemies of the U.S. in history, falls neatly into the definition of treason. Trump's first impeachment was over a phone call. That's what shouldn't be impeachable.

I don't know that Trump would have handled the withdrawal much better than Biden. He's very impulsive. Trump withdrew suddenly from fighting ISIS leaving the Kurds and other allies in the lurch in exactly the same way that Biden left Afghanistan leaving those who helped us in the lurch.

But he didn't commit treason, by leaving ISIS billions in military equipment. ISIS was losing strength at that time, not gaining it, as the Taliban now is.

Trump's a screw up and so would likely have screwed up the Afghanistan withdrawal. He wouldn't really care how bad it was since he knows he'd just lie and say what a fantastic job he did in Afghanistan, that even those living in hiding or who've had their hands cut off are thanking him.

Similar to the way Biden called our Afghanistan withdrawal an "extraordinary success"?

Biden claims Afghanistan withdrawal ‘extraordinary success’ in address to nation

I don't yet hate Biden like you do Trump. But if any U.S. citizens or allies end up dying at the hands of U.S. taxpayer funded military equipment, that could change.


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