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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Why thanks, Arizona Paul! I'm wondering if I should stay active today also. I had to work yesterday and didn't get much EvC time to communicate.
Come to think of it I DID find a couple of your comments in other threads worthy of rebuttal. I can't seem to let sleeping dogs lie. from Message 106AZPaul3 writes:
Seeing as how you think that all Gods,gods, and religious mythos solely originate in our collective imaginations gleaned from a dusty old book I can see your point. You are traditionally a vocal anti-theist.
It(The Bible) should go in that big green bin out back. So let's examine AZPauls idea of "God".
AZPaul3 writes: Understood. But if you agree with Tangle that everything possibly known and experienced originate with the written characters in the book you can throw the characters away with the book. I do not believe nor experience the characters in that way. Your bible wouldn't know women's nature and psychology if it got kicked in its ham-fisted misogynistic patriarchal balls. Same for slave relationships. And there are a lot more disconnects. Your bible's psychological constructs and morals are stone age archaic, brutal, inhumane, and are rejected in modern theory.From Message 341 Phat, addressing jar writes: But surely God has to do something. AZ writes: Are you talking about Jesus Christ? If you despise Jesus(either as the character in the book or hypothetical actual living character of GOD) in this fashion I can arrange an exorcism to oust that proud little nature spirit of the antichrist.
He could die. He could not exist. Either of those would be good. AZ writes: Yes please do. Is there any way you can think of how you would honestly react were Jesus alive? I can think of others if you need.You need an argument against a Higher Power in general. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No more than YOU need an argument against leprechauns in general. You need an argument against a Higher Power in general. The way reality works is: You need an argument FOR something you claim is true."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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anglagard Member (Idle past 1088 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Happy birthday Phat! I hope the vacation did you some good.
The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing. If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do. Republican = death
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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But if you agree with Tangle that everything possibly known and experienced originate with the written characters in the book you can throw the characters away with the book. I'm thinking maybe what Tangle was referring to was that there is only the book. There is no independent confirmation that any of the myths (or characters, outside historical name-dropping) ever existed as presented. But this dichotomy of book from character(s) is false. The whole thing is the major propaganda tool of the abrahamics and their evil philosophies, evil morals and evil actions. The presentation of fantasy as reality is bad enough but religion's insistence they be obeyed under penalty of torture and death (in both this life and the fictitious next) is abhorrent to every humanist worthy of the name. So throwing the tomb in the trash, characters and all, is an excellent way to keep its poison from infecting more innocent minds.
If you despise Jesus ... The characters mean nothing. They are but actors on stage reading a script written by the priests. The use of these myths, however, is what I despise. Your entire religion, indeed all religions, are formed and operated to accumulate wealth, influence, power for the priests and the brutal warlords they serve. Religion has taken the worst of human thought and action and elevated it to the level of a righteous movement. Human life means nothing and is expendable to the greater glory of their god and their church's power over the masses. This is despicable. Religion needs to end.
You need an argument against a Higher Power in general. An argument against a rainbow-striped unicorn? Really, Phat?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
anglagard writes: I'm still going to slow down my participation here. It's unhealthy to be addicted to social media rebuttals....just another form of addiction! Ranting insulates me from actually experiencing the feelings and subsequent actions that they can lead to. I'm reading Matthew...slowly and thoroughly...as I ease back on my quantity of posts. I hope the vacation did you some good. I hope to improve my quality somewhat. Thanks for the birthday wishes."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: I'm thinking maybe what Tangle was referring to was that there is only the book. There is no independent confirmation that any of the myths (or characters, outside historical name-dropping) ever existed as presented. But there is not even only the book; there are a whole host of different Canons each creating and authorizing a different "Bible™" with totally different content. The smallest Christian "Bible™" has only 5 books and NONE of the New Testament while the largest has over 80. Just as with the God each Chapter of Club Christian and each Jesus of Club Christian markets it is whatever that body of humans has created. Edited by jar, : fix quote boxMy Website: My Website
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Many believers disagree with your logical yet bland and uninspired assessment. Just because jar in Texas has never discovered how it is possible to commune with GOD or whether it has any possible value does not mean that your Socratic logic has any weight on reality for everyone
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As usual you post a meaningless spiel repeating dogma and failing yet again to point out anywhere what I posted is not factual, true and correct.
While I and others post facts you seem to only reply the you refuse to believe reality. And so once again: quote: Care to address reality rather than simply regurgitate the dogma of your chosen cults?My Website: My Website
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Percy Member Posts: 22938 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Phat writes: anglagard writes: I hope the vacation did you some good. I'm still going to slow down my participation here. It's unhealthy to be addicted to social media rebuttals....just another form of addiction! Ranting insulates me from actually experiencing the feelings and subsequent actions that they can lead to. Being social, interacting with other human beings, is healthy. Withholding it from yourself is just another poor choice you've made. What you (and many others) need to find is a way to free yourself from seeing the world in terms of conspiracy theories and mystical answers. --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 663 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Well, we have you for an example. If you're communing with God, He must be an idiot. Just because jar in Texas has never discovered how it is possible to commune with GOD...."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And neither Phat or anyone else has EVER explained how it might be possible or how to even determine if you are actually communing with God.
And he NEVER, EVER even tries to answer those questions.My Website: My Website
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
First of all I dont have these questions. Second it is not my job to answer them for you.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And so yet again all Phat can provide is the fact that he cannot or will not address what others post.
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Percy Member Posts: 22938 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Phat writes: First of all I dont have these questions. Second it is not my job to answer them for you. You're not interested in the give and take of discussion? Why are you at a discussion board? Is it possible that working in a grocery store is an enabling situation for you? --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18638 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Hello Percy. Started the day eating well. Ha a salad. I am not prepared to die anytime soon.
But I am prepared to engage in reasonable debate. Jar is a one-trick pony. He has one and only one view of what the Bible says and what it means, and he has discredited himself as a believer by saying that none of the characters are real. (But are products of human literature)
Is it possible that working in a grocery store is an enabling situation for you? Not sure I follow. What is it I am enabling? Edited by Phat, : sub title"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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