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marc9000
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Message 181 of 258 (888680)
09-27-2021 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Percy
09-26-2021 1:04 PM


marc9000 writes:

You found them because you LOOKED for them.

Of course I did a search for them. You've forgotten what you claimed. You said "there have been very few mainstream media reports of the increasing problems of the Mexican border." I had no trouble finding plenty of them. Clearly you were wrong.

In addition, I knew about the problems at our southern border for another reason that proves you wrong: they made headlines. What on Earth happened to your brain to make you think the media wasn't reporting it.

Wasn't making headlines at ABC World News Tonight. My experiences tell me that if they weren't there, then they weren't at NBC or CBS either. I think those half hour news reports make up over 50% of what's defined as "mainstream media", because that's about the only place that a huge percentage of only mildly interested voters get their information.

This past Thursday, during lunch, I had Fox News on television in the time slot where their "Outnumbered" show is on. Wasn't on this time though, it was a live press conference with Jen Psaki. Out of curiosity I did some channel flipping, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC. None of them were covering it, though I didn't think to check C-Span or PBS. The topic was the Mexican border. Psaki wasn't having fun. If that would have been a Republican press secretary, do you think those other channels would have covered it?

marc9000 writes:

A huge percentage of the public doesn't look for news, they get it from the background, passive sources like the half hour evening news shows.

But you can't claim the mainstream media isn't covering news about our southern border just because half hour TV news programs are giving it insufficient attention, which we don't know is true since we only have your word for it. Your claims are usually less than trustworthy.

There's nothing I can do about that, I've always been 'gang galloped' here, I can't provide enough proof and resources to make even one liberal concede a point, since that's something liberals don't do anyway. So far you only seem to have 2 helpers here, I'm not complaining, I invite others input, if it's something besides violations of forum rule #10.

If you really believe ABC World News Tonight is so terrible at vetting information, why do you watch it?

To call attention to the reality of what they do, to see how their tactics work, to better understand why so many people vote to destroy this once great country. To see if some of the congressmen and senators who make guest appearances on Fox news are FINALLY waking up to this serious problem.

David Muir of ABC, in the only time I noticed him making any mention of all that military equipment left behind, said that it had been "demilitarized". Then he showed a few pictures of flat tires and gauge facings broken out on our planes, as if the Taliban had no way of knowing how to fix those simple things.

quote:
Definition of demilitarize
transitive verb

1a: to do away with the military organization or potential of
b: to prohibit (something, such as a zone or frontier area) from being used for military purposes
2: to rid of military characteristics or uses


Definition of DEMILITARIZE

"TO RID".

quote:
Videos showed heavily armed Taliban fighters standing on top of a long line of captured Humvees and other tactical vehicles as they drive along a highway.

Taliban throws victory parade with US military equipment

"Drive [captured Humvees] along a highway" "To Rid"? How many countless thousands of voters in America were mislead by Muir's lie?

Edited by marc9000, : add reasons for mis-trusting ABC News


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marc9000
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Message 182 of 258 (888681)
09-27-2021 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Percy
09-26-2021 1:32 PM


Re: Arizona Election Audit Shows Biden Won by EVEN MORE VOTES
By the way, I couldn't find anything like your quote in news stories about a non-concession speech

Here is ABC's version of what happened, it was on 11-5-2020, 2 days after the election;

Networks cut away from Trump's White House address

quote:
NEW YORK -- ABC, CBS and NBC all cut away from President Donald Trump on Thursday as he spoke from the White House to make an unfounded accusation that the presidential election was being stolen from him.

Unfounded? Two days after the election wasn't long enough for the networks to know that his claims were unfounded. The networks only wanted his claims to be unfounded, and didn't want any of their viewers to hear anything he had to say.

but I did find one about NewsMax cutting someone off:

Trump was the sitting president. There's a difference between a sitting president getting cut off simultaneously by three national news networks versus one obscure guest getting cut off on an obscure political commentary show.


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marc9000
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Message 183 of 258 (888682)
09-27-2021 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Percy
09-26-2021 2:37 PM


How gullible are you, Marc? The lady says Hunter Biden traveled with his father on Air Force 2 four hundred times. That's one trip every week. It's hard to believe Joe Biden traveled 400 times in 8 years. Maybe he did, but I could find no confirmation of that.

Do you actually believe that Hunter Biden traveled with him 400 times? Given Fox News' reputation for peddling propaganda, don't you think just a smidge of skepticism is called for? If not then how many trips would start making you skeptical? After all, Joe must have made more trips without Hunter than with him, so if the Fox News person's information is accurate then Joe must have made at least 800 trips or two a week. Is this at least beginning to sound absurd to you?

You're making a big deal of the number of times. That's actually a very minor detail. I don't care if it was only 5 times, if ONE of them involved Hunter's using his father's influence to enhance his own multi-million dollar business deals involving international energy usage, and therefore politics, and our news media covers it up, it's a serious problem that could involve U.S. economics at best, or U.S. national security at worst.

During any vice-president's term in office it would have been impossible for anyone with him to not be within the sphere of Secret Service protection, so you haven't said anything that isn't true of all vice presidents. You certainly have no evidence of "corrupt moments." You appear to view your messages as opportunities to just make stuff up.

You haven't heard anything at all about Hunter Biden's activities during his father's vice-presidency? Hmm, the mainstream media is covering up even more than I thought.

quote:
THE VICE PRESIDENT’S OFFICE AND STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS WERE
AWARE OF BUT IGNORED CONCERNS RELATING TO HUNTER BIDEN’S ROLE
ON BURISMA’S BOARD.

V. SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY FALSELY CLAIMED HE HAD NO
KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN’S ROLE ON BURISMA’S BOARD.

VI. STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS VIEWED MYKOLA ZLOCHEVSKY AS A
CORRUPT, “ODIOUS OLIGARCH,” BUT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS
ADVISED NOT TO ACCUSE ZLOCHEVSKY OF CORRUPTION.

VII. WHILE HUNTER BIDEN SERVED ON BURISMA’S BOARD, BURISMA’S
OWNER, ZLOCHEVSKY, ALLEGEDLY PAID A $7 MILLION BRIBE TO
UKRAINE’S PROSECUTOR GENERAL’S OFFICE TO CLOSE THE CASE.

VIII. HUNTER BIDEN: A SECRET SERVICE PROTECTEE WHILE ON BURISMA’S
BOARD.

IX. OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS AND A DEMOCRAT LOBBYING FIRM
HAD CONSISTENT AND SIGNIFICANT CONTACT WITH FORMER UKRAINIAN
OFFICIAL ANDRII TELIZHENKO.

X. THE MINORITY FALSELY ACCUSED THE CHAIRMEN OF ENGAGING IN A
RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN AND USED OTHER TACTICS TO
INTERFERE IN THE INVESTIGATION.

XI. HUNTER BIDEN’S AND HIS FAMILY’S FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS WITH
UKRAINIAN, RUSSIAN, KAZAKH AND CHINESE NATIONALS RAISE
CRIMINAL CONCERNS AND EXTORTION THREATS.


https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/...c/Ukraine%20Report_FINAL.pdf

Your source is a British tabloid. Is there any source so dubious or claims so outlandish you won't accept it?

There were a LOT of sources that established that Hunter Biden's reference to the "big guy" was actually a reference to his father.

Joe 'named in Hunter email as "Big Guy" who'd get cut in deal with Chinese firm'

You still have no evidence Hunter Biden traveled on numerous "political overseas trips" on Air Force 2, let alone that any classified information was leaked. Why would Hunter Biden be privy to any classified information?

quote:
The son of Vice President Joe Biden, a lawyer-lobbyist with no known expertise in the production, transport, or distribution of natural gas, or in the complex financial operations of such a business, was placed on the board of the largest gas company in Ukraine in April 2014 and remained there until spring of this year, netting some $850,000 in payments.

Hunter Biden made $850,000 on board of Ukraine gas company

You didn't know about this? You think he landed this job without influence from his vice-president father? This is the Ukraine, the same place that Trump got impeached for over a phone call!

That's kind of a tautology. When you spread tales that are unsupported and unverifiable, people are likely to dismiss them as unsupported and unverified.

Kind of like your claim that Barr misrepresented Mueller's findings? But wait, yours ARE verified, by the Democrat owned news media?

That clip you provided above from Fox Business had a woman saying that Hunter Biden had flown with the vice president 400 times, frankly just not even close to credible, and I've seen clips from Fox numerous times where they lie or are misleading. Are they still saying the election was rigged? Remember when they were telling everyone not to wear masks, and then in a one day turn-around suddenly they were saying the opposite?

No I don't remember, what 2 days were those? Was it the same person who did this one day turn around, or different Fox people had different opinions? Is your word all I have on this?

Do you have anything besides innuendo?

I consider it common sense deductions from what I see. Hunter Biden made hundreds of thousands on Burisma's board without much effort, since he didn't know anything about that business, and now that his dad is president, he's satisfied to be a starving artist? One of my above quotes from an internet source describes him as a "Lawyer/Lobbyist. Being an artist is where his interests lie, now that his father has risen from vice president to president?

Bet me money that TV news won't mention an indictment of Hunter Biden.

Maybe a quick 30 second mention of it in the middle of a newscast. Not shouted and harped on for 15 minutes if Donald Trump Jr was indicted.

marc9000 writes:

Similarweb sure has that right, CNN sure doesn't gather materials from a variety of sources, only sources favorable to the Democrat party.

The page I referred you to doesn't say anything like that. This is just you making things up again.

So you think CNN isn't biased. The agree-to-disagree thing is upon us again. You could go to youtube and watch Jim Acosta vids to strengthen your position.

You actually believe you're getting factually accurate news when you watch Tucker Carlson?

Slanted, he obviously goes for guests who agree with him, but yes, accurate. He's no more slanted than other shows, who claim more than Carlson does, to be objective news.

marc9000 writes:

I watch it to be informed, to compare it to other news sources, and to draw my own conclusions about what's actually going on.

That would be nice were it true, but the only thing we hear from you about ABC World News Tonight is complaints. You don't seem to draw upon any factual sources at all for your information.

Pot, meet kettle. Do you ever say anything positive about Trump, or Fox news?


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Percy
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Message 184 of 258 (888684)
09-27-2021 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by marc9000
09-27-2021 3:38 PM


You managed to get almost everything wrong across multiple messages. I'll supply just one more example of you making stuff up and then stop wasting my time:

marc9000 writes:

In addition, I knew about the problems at our southern border for another reason that proves you wrong: they made headlines. What on Earth happened to your brain to make you think the media wasn't reporting it.

Wasn't making headlines at ABC World News Tonight.

Except that events at the border *were* making headlines at ABC World News Tonight. This is yet another example of you getting your facts wrong. I picked an ABC World News Tonight episode at random, the one from one week ago tonight on 9/20/2021, and there it was, 3rd among the lead stories at the one minute mark.

I couldn't see a way to embed the video, but if you click on ABC World News Tonight, September 20, 2021, and go to the one minute mark you'll see David Muir beginning, "The alarming images from the Texas border tonight..." The graphic says, "Crisis at the Border."

I'm here for discussion, not to be your fact checker.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typo.


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marc9000
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Message 185 of 258 (888685)
09-27-2021 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Percy
09-27-2021 8:12 PM


You managed to get almost everything wrong across multiple messages. I'll supply just one more example of you making stuff up and then stop wasting my time:

Out of ammunition? That's what I love about this place, the more mainstream common sense things a rare conservative visitor says, the more the liberals double down and refuse to concede points!

Except that events at the border *were* making headlines at ABC World News Tonight. This is yet another example of you getting your facts wrong. I picked an ABC World News Tonight episode at random, the one from one week ago tonight on 9/20/2021, and there it was, 3rd among the lead stories at the one minute mark.

I couldn't see a way to embed the video, but if you click on ABC World News Tonight, September 20, 2021, and go to the one minute mark you'll see David Muir beginning, "The alarming images from the Texas border tonight..." The graphic says, "Crisis at the Border."

I'm here for discussion, not to be your fact checker.

I wasn't talking about one week ago, I acknowledged that they couldn't recently cover it up any longer. I WAS REFERRING TO THE FIRST 8 MONTHS OF THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY!!

Get some rest for a couple of days, or ban me, or just wait for a dozen of your helpers to come along and violate forum rule #10 yet again. Your choices are many.

I came back here after 4 months for one reason, I noticed that you brought up my name negatively out of the blue, after my 4 month absence. Maybe you could consider not doing something like that in the future, unless I'm banned, then it won't matter. Now do your little ****** thing over some of my words, like you've done to Faith and LamarkNewAge, I don't care.

Edited by marc9000, : Add one paragraph


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dwise1
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Message 186 of 258 (888698)
09-28-2021 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by dwise1
09-26-2021 2:30 PM


Re: Poll numbers
I need to point out a couple corrections.

In my Message 177, I wrote:

One really big difference with a Trump pull-out from Afghanistan would have been to leave Afghans behind. Biden evacuated over 10,000 Afghans, trying to concentrate mainly on those who had helped us and their families. Trump would have tried to leave all of them behind.

The number of people we evacuated, mostly Afghans, was 124,000. That was a very successful military operation and not exactly abandoning our allies.

Also, Sen. Warren, having been briefed by the Army, reports that no American-owned equipment was left behind. As I had pointed out:

DWise1 writes:

Another point that marc got wrong was that that military hardware that the Taliban captured was from the Afghan Army whom we had supplied.

All the equipment that the Taliban has captured it captured from the Afghan Army; the equipment was all Afghan-owned. In that message, I wondered if marc was taking the position that we should have never equipped the Afghan Army. If marc is indeed taking that position, then he needs to present it.

In news reports at the time, I heard reference to some systems that could not be removed, but which had instead been rendered inoperative. Just to explain, inoperative equipment cannot be used.


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Pressie
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Message 187 of 258 (888699)
09-29-2021 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by marc9000
09-27-2021 2:24 PM


marc9000 writes:

So to arrive at a conclusion about something, you rely ONLY on one-word answers, to questions that ONLY you ask, and disregard ALL other information? You fit in well with today's Democrat party.

No, marc9000, I read your first answer. It was:

marc9000 writes:

No, …

Then I continued reading.

marc9000 writes:

…but during his dad’s 8 year vice presidency, he flew on air force 2 with his dad hundreds of times to foreign countries…


I stopped reading your sentences, because this was an obvious ridiculously stupid untruth. Anyone with an IQ of more than 45 would know that it is an untruth and that a glorious Gish Gallop would follow.

After that I don’t trust anything you write; it’s too easy for you to tell untruths.

My conclusion was that Hunter Biden is not relevant to any form of political discourse.

Edited by Pressie, : Changed the word you to your


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Message 188 of 258 (888700)
09-29-2021 6:45 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by marc9000
09-27-2021 2:24 PM


marc9000 writes:

...You fit in well with today's Democrat party.


Actually, in the US it's called the Democratic Party. It seems as if I know more about American politics than you do.

And no, the US Democratic Party is waaaaaaay too right-wing for me.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Percy
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Message 189 of 258 (888702)
09-29-2021 7:58 AM


Who is Biden?
In testimony before Congress yesterday top generals said they advised both Trump and Biden that if the American troop presence in Afghanistan weren't maintained at around 2500 that the Afghan military and government would collapse, but back in August Biden said in an interview that no adviser had mentioned a 2500 troop level.

Who's wrong? Most likely Biden, probably hearing what he wanted to hear in those discussions. Even those of us without benefit of advice from top generals knew what would happen in Afghanistan if we withdrew our forces, as evidenced by my conversation with a friend shortly after the troop withdrawal announcement. My friend said that Afghanistan wouldn't survive a week once we left, and I disagreed only in that I thought it would take months, not a mere week. His estimate was much closer to reality.

What does this tell us about Joe Biden? That he knows what he wants to do and that it strongly slants how he interprets what others are telling him.

(Source: Top generals say they advised keeping troops in Afghanistan, contradicting Biden)

Then there's Biden's actions on the border, which reveal a more perplexing side. He says the right things but otherwise does very little. The only good thing one can say about his mistreatment of illegal immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers is that it's not quite as bad as under Trump. Is Biden avoiding a fight with Republicans? Has it had too much on his plate? Something else?

Then there's Biden's legislative agenda. He can't get his infrastructure bill across the finish line, even among progressives in his own party, and his insistence at tying funding the government to the bill is stimulating Republican intransigence and will likely result in a government shutdown. He seems to believe the Democrats have enough of a majority to force their agenda through, and we'll know in a day or two, but it looks doubtful.

Whatever the reasons, Biden's been in office long enough for us to know what kind of president he is and will be. He is who he is and like his predecessor is unlikely to change. He's an ineffective good guy, like Jimmy Carter.

--Percy


  
marc9000
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Message 190 of 258 (888705)
09-29-2021 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Pressie
09-29-2021 6:34 AM


I stopped reading your sentences, because this was an obvious ridiculously stupid untruth. Anyone with an IQ of more than 45 would know that it is an untruth and that a glorious Gish Gallop would follow.

You stopped reading because you only read what Percy said without thinking for yourself, your reference to his "gish gallop" term proves that.

U.S. vice presidents have more access to leisure time and air travel than most U.S. dads have to leisure time and car travel. 8 years is 2920 days. It's common for U.S. children to ride with their dads in cars hundreds of times over a period of 8 years.

After that I don’t trust anything you write; it’s too easy for you to tell untruths.

Fathers and children don't get along in your country?

My conclusion was that Hunter Biden is not relevant to any form of political discourse.

Yes, you stopped reading long before learning anything about Hunter Biden's involvement in a foreign energy company.


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Pressie
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Message 191 of 258 (888706)
09-29-2021 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by marc9000
09-29-2021 9:40 AM


marc9000 writes:

You stopped reading because you ...

I stopped reading because you told an untruth. Anyone with an IQ of more than 45 saw that untruth immediately. I know that an IQ of more than 45 doesn't apply to you, but your further Gish Gallops won't change that fact that you told an untruth.

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marc9000
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Message 192 of 258 (888707)
09-29-2021 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by Pressie
09-29-2021 6:45 AM


Actually, in the US it's called the Democratic Party. It seems as if I know more about American politics than you do.

The current Democrat party is getting less and less democratic, considering its ever increasing appetite for government mandates, and its total disregard for the opinions of Republican voters.

And no, the US Democratic Party is waaaaaaay too right-wing for me.

Your country's leaders propose a $3.5 trillion pork spending plan with none of it in the treasury? Your country's leader proposes an 8 year "30 x 30" private property confiscation as a measure to reverse climate change, with about 1/4 of the population actually believing that's what it would do? You should move to the U.S. for some REAL liberalism.

A reality check on Biden’s ‘30 by 30’ conservation plan

quote:
A week after Joe Biden became president, he signed an executive order that announced his commitment to protecting 30% of U.S. land and water — over 720 million acres — by 2030.

"Protecting it", from its uses as providing food, or products related to the keeping of the population warm and clothed during often brutal U.S. winters? Or maybe as housing areas for illegal immigrants?


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marc9000
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Message 193 of 258 (888708)
09-29-2021 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Pressie
09-29-2021 9:51 AM


I stopped reading because you told an untruth. Anyone with an IQ of more than 45 saw that untruth immediately. I know that an IQ of more than 45 doesn't apply to you, but your further Gish Gallops won't change that fact that you told an untruth.

Here it is again, you clearly didn't read it.

quote:
U.S. vice presidents have more access to leisure time and air travel than most U.S. dads have to leisure time and car travel. 8 years is 2920 days. It's common for U.S. children to ride with their dads in cars hundreds of times over a period of 8 years.

Is that too brief for you? Should I elaborate on that more? Probably not, you wouldn't read it.


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Pressie
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Message 194 of 258 (888709)
09-29-2021 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by marc9000
09-29-2021 9:59 AM


Good Lord. More Gish Gallop.
Good Lord, more Gish Gallop. Marc9000, why did you lie when you wrote this?
marc9000 writes:

…but during his dad’s 8 year vice presidency, he flew on air force 2 with his dad hundreds of times to foreign countries…


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Percy
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Message 195 of 258 (888777)
10-05-2021 8:05 AM


Why did this take 9 months?

  
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