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jar
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Message 16 of 27 (888637)
09-25-2021 11:18 AM


What does the evidence show?
quote:
“The leaked report conclusively shows there were enough fraudulent votes, mystery votes, and fake votes to change the outcome of the election 4 or 5 times over,” Mr. Trump said in a statement early Friday evening, one of seven he had issued about Arizona since late Thursday. “There is fraud and cheating in Arizona and it must be criminally investigated!”

See, there is conclusive evidence!

The US is truly split into two demographics; those who acknowledge reality and those like Trump and all of Trump's followers who simply deny reality.


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Message 17 of 27 (888640)
09-25-2021 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by jar
09-25-2021 11:18 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
The evidence really shows that Trump’s a liar. But we already knew that.

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Message 18 of 27 (888646)
09-25-2021 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by jar
09-25-2021 11:18 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
The US is truly split into two demographics; those who acknowledge reality and those like Trump and all of Trump's followers who simply deny reality.
This doesn't sound right. I agree that the US is nearly evenly split between conservatism and liberalism, but I do not see 47% of the people as being either pro-Trump nor in denial of reality. I am a moderate Conservative-leaning idealogue. I am no fan of Trump. And I would say that many of you deny basic aspects of reality.
  • You fail to understand money and global finance. When I say that there will be a major correction and that the dollar is on the ropes, you shrug and ask me how and why that matters. It is almost as if you welcome globalism and world governance that does not involve the United States...except as a 2nd tier power merely equal to a room full of others. But reality says that there will always be a leader. Does your disdain for Trump mean that you label nearly half the people as delusional?

  • jar always has claimed that "the bill will get paid" but does anyone understand the global implications of this? It almost seems as if you accept it without protest. The 47% of the people whom you claim are out of touch with reality will likely roar back with a vengeance once the financial correction takes place and wakes them up.

    Besides, jar I thought you were a bit of a conservative. What happened?


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    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 19 of 27 (888647)
    09-25-2021 3:08 PM
    Reply to: Message 14 by ringo
    09-24-2021 11:59 AM


    Re: Why Trump Followers Think Mail-in Ballots Cause Fraud
    ringo writes:

    It's true that conservatives tend to be a bunch of gutless wonders who can't do it.

    Can't do what?


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    jar
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    Message 20 of 27 (888651)
    09-25-2021 3:47 PM
    Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
    09-25-2021 2:57 PM


    Re: What does the evidence show?
    Phat writes:

    Besides, jar I thought you were a bit of a conservative. What happened?

    I acknowledge reality.

    The bill well get paid and yes those who deny reality will very likely roar back yet still, the bill WILL get paid.


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    Message 21 of 27 (888656)
    09-26-2021 9:31 AM
    Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
    09-25-2021 2:57 PM


    Re: What does the evidence show?
    You are deluded, but I already attempted providing you rebuttal, and in response you posted links to videos. You're engaging in the exact same practices as the rest of conservative nation that enable them to maintain ideas at odds with reality.

    Does your disdain for Trump mean that you label nearly half the people as delusional?

    How many people think the election was rigged? Recent reports say around 30%. That's the minimum for how many people are delusional.

    How many people think Democrats are socialists? 64% of Republicans. They're delusional, and they likely don't know the definition of socialism.

    The mental phenomenon in operation is confirmation bias. Many conservative minds these days seek out and accept tales that confirm what they want to believe or already believe, not what is true. They seek out tales, not facts or data or evidence. What captures their attention is stuff that confirms their beliefs, not stuff that is true.

    If I posted made-up stuff about rigged elections and about Democratic advocacy of socialism and about the collapse of the American dollar and American power or about taxing immigrants or about the ether or about the mind not being part of the physical world, then in no time people like you and marc9000 and LamarkNewAge and Michael MD and Christian7 would be quoting those in your particular interest area as if they were fact. This is because none of you have the ability to tell truth from falsity. The criteria you use to judge an idea or tale true or false is whether it appeals to you, not whether there's any actual truth to it.

    --Percy

    Edited by Percy, : Grammar.


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    Message 22 of 27 (888658)
    09-26-2021 9:49 AM
    Reply to: Message 20 by jar
    09-25-2021 3:47 PM


    Re: What does the evidence show?
    Phat writes:

    Besides, jar I thought you were a bit of a conservative. What happened?


    I acknowledge reality.

    quote:
    It is a well-known fact that reality has a definite liberal bias.
    (Steven Colbert on NPR)

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    Message 23 of 27 (888665)
    09-26-2021 1:07 PM
    Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
    09-25-2021 3:08 PM


    Re: Why Trump Followers Think Mail-in Ballots Cause Fraud
    Phat writes:

    Can't do what?


    For fuck's sake, read what I wrote.

    Marc9000 claimed that nobody could stand up against multiple opponents. That's the "it".

    That's why I quoted Woody Guthrie: to paraphrase, never back down unless you're proven wrong - and even then, make 'em work for it.


    "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
    -- Lucky Ned Pepper

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    Phat
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    Message 24 of 27 (888688)
    09-28-2021 4:59 AM
    Reply to: Message 20 by jar
    09-25-2021 3:47 PM


    Re: What does the evidence show?
    I honestly think (and likely even hope) that the bill gets defaulted and bankrupted (or even inflated) away rather than simply paid through tax increases.

    This whole idea that raising taxes will pay it is clearly false. The total net wealth of the top 2% of taxpayers totals roughly 4 trillion dollars.

    In today's terms that is roughly one year's deficit. Owing nearly 29 trillion, the bill is effectively unpayable. Inflating the debt away is the best solution. The alternative is to trash the wealth of the middle class. And this means each and every one of *you* here at EvC.


    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Message 25 of 27 (888689)
    09-28-2021 6:08 AM
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    09-28-2021 4:59 AM


    Re: What does the evidence show?
    Phat writes:

    This whole idea that raising taxes will pay it is clearly false. The total net wealth of the top 2% of taxpayers totals roughly 4 trillion dollars.

    So, you think it is fair that you had to pay 30% while they paid maybe 2% for the last 41 years. Do you intend to support the policies that will ensure this tax rate applies for the next 41 years?

    You are the cause of your dissatisfaction, stop sucking up to the rich.


    The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing.

    If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.

    Republican = death


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    jar
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    Message 26 of 27 (888690)
    09-28-2021 6:51 AM
    Reply to: Message 24 by Phat
    09-28-2021 4:59 AM


    Re: What does the evidence show?
    Phat writes:

    I honestly think (and likely even hope) that the bill gets defaulted and bankrupted (or even inflated) away rather than simply paid through tax increases.

    If there is no imported food how long will you have a job?


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    Percy
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    Message 27 of 27 (888697)
    09-28-2021 2:40 PM
    Reply to: Message 24 by Phat
    09-28-2021 4:59 AM


    Re: What does the evidence show?
    Is math just lost on you? If so ignore what follows.

    The service on our national debt of around $300 billion is around 9% of revenue.

    Financial advisers recommend that a family's debt service not be above 25% of household income.

    The service on the national debt is far smaller than the maximum financial advisers recommend as safe for families.

    Why do you think the nation's debt service of 9% is ruinous when it is so much less than the 25% that financial advisers recommend as safe for families?

    --Percy


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