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Percy
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Message 661 of 663 (888725)
09-30-2021 7:37 PM


It's Worse Than We Thought
According to a recent study, statistics have been undercounting the number of people dying at police hands by more than a factor of two. From More Than Half of Police Killings Are Mislabeled, New Study Says:

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Police killings in America have been undercounted by more than half over the past four decades, according to a new study that raises pointed questions about racial bias among medical examiners and highlights the lack of reliable national record keeping on what has become a major public health and civil rights issue.
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Researchers compared information from a federal database known as the National Vital Statistics System, which collects death certificates, with recent data from three organizations that track police killings through news reports and public records requests. When extrapolating and modeling that data back decades, they identified a startling discrepancy: About 55 percent of fatal encounters with the police between 1980 and 2018 were listed as another cause of death.

However outraged you've been at the number of blacks killed by police, double it.

--Percy


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Message 662 of 663 (888732)
10-01-2021 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 661 by Percy
09-30-2021 7:37 PM


Re: It's Worse Than We Thought
I'm not wanting to downplay the tragic police failures such as George Floyd and many others, but...

The police, especially in troubled areas of big cities, have a very difficult job. I think that one might need to be crazy to want to step into doing such a job, and/or the job might induce craziness. Not unlike being "the boots on the ground" in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and (?).

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Percy
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Message 663 of 663 (888733)
10-02-2021 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 662 by Minnemooseus
10-01-2021 8:57 PM


Re: It's Worse Than We Thought
Minnemooseus writes:

The police, especially in troubled areas of big cities, have a very difficult job.

Yes, their job is difficult, but they're taking the difficulties of that job out on the public they're sworn to protect because of a problematic culture underpinned by and likely caused by qualified immunity. It's the age old "power corrupts" story, with the result that in too many jurisdictions police get away with all kinds of malfeasance and misbehavior including, sometimes, murder.

Arguably the job of police might be easier without qualified immunity. Without a feeling of impunity they might be less likely to walk into dangerous situations or escalate them in ways that make the chances they'll need their firearms more likely.

The cases where police have been successfully prosecuted are ludicrously extreme. Walking into a man's apartment and murdering him. Choking a suspect for seven minutes. Tossing a handcuffed man into the back of a police van without securing him with seat belts and then taking a series of violent turns that slam him into the van's sides.

The cases where police were not charged are also informative. Deaf Magdiel Sanchez murdered when he failed to follow police instructions yelled from behind him. 12-year-old Tamir rice murdered while playing with a toy gun in a park. Breonna Taylor shot to death in her own home during a no-knock raid based on an errant informant. Qualified immunity is very powerful.

--Percy


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