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ringo
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Message 196 of 258 (888781)
10-05-2021 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by marc9000
09-29-2021 10:03 AM


marc9000 writes:

Is that too brief for you?


It's a non-sequitur.

"Children" riding in cars with their dads "hundreds of times" does not translate to the Vice President's son flying to foreign countries hundreds of times with his father.


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 197 of 258 (888791)
10-05-2021 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by ringo
10-05-2021 11:45 AM


Mi AF1 es su AF1
Can someone explain to me why anyone should care if Biden and son went on a plane trip?

I think this is supposed to be politically dangerous dirt that will implode the Biden administration leaving the Democrats to wallow in abject shame at the shear audacity of the revelation. It won't.

I think the republicans and their Reich-wing apologists like marc9000 are out to destroy the office of the presidency regardless of what that does to the state of our society.

What used to be the loyal opposition is no more. In republicans, loyalty has given way to stark hatred and the driving need to foster national failure on a grand world-wide scale. By causing the nation's failure the republicans hope to point to democrats as the cause.

Why do republicans so hate this nation? Why does marc9000 so hate this nation?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 198 of 258 (888793)
10-05-2021 4:37 PM


Stop and look at the political/military history of Japan 1928-1941
The parallels between what is happening in the US today and what happened in Japan between the late 1920s and 1941 are striking. The result was a Japanese Fascist Theocracy similar to the current marriage between Fascism and the Christian Cult of *********. It was a very deliberate campaign of destabilization of ANY democratic government with the goal of establishing a military/theocratic dictatorship.

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Message 199 of 258 (888795)
10-06-2021 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by AZPaul3
10-05-2021 4:04 PM


Re: Mi AF1 es su AF1
AZPaul3 writes:

Can someone explain to me why anyone should care if Biden and son went on a plane trip?

As Marc has explained, the nearly weekly international trips Hunter Biden made with his father while vice-president (we know they happened, someone at Fox said so) were highly suspicious since they represented opportunities for them to engage in nefarious plotting. They met this way, even though highly suspicious as well as very visible, because for some reason it would have been even more suspicious had they met just in the normal course of seeing each other frequently because they're father and son.

That none of the nefarious plots have come to light only shows how successfully the mainstream media has covered them up.

--Percy


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Message 200 of 258 (888798)
10-06-2021 12:09 PM
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10-05-2021 4:04 PM


Re: Mi AF1 es su AF1
AZPaul3 writes:

What used to be the loyal opposition is no more.


If it's any consolation, we have a similar problem in Canada. In my opinion, the job of the opposition is to provide viable alternatives to the the government's policies - and if the government "steals" their ideas, that should be cause for celebration. But in the past, we've even had the Conservative Party refuse to reveal their policies except in an election campaign.

And all too often, what they call bad ideas when they're in opposition miraculously become good ideas when they're in office.


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 201 of 258 (888800)
10-06-2021 2:07 PM
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10-06-2021 11:46 AM


Re: Mi AF1 es su AF1
Ahh, nefarious plotting. That's the one that gets them every time.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 202 of 258 (888802)
10-06-2021 6:05 PM


And why did this also take 9 months?

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marc9000
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Message 203 of 258 (888806)
10-07-2021 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by ringo
10-05-2021 11:45 AM


It's a non-sequitur.

"Children" riding in cars with their dads "hundreds of times" does not translate to the Vice President's son flying to foreign countries hundreds of times with his father.

Well, I admit, many dads have job responsibilities and other obligations that could prevent them from overindulging in taking their kids for car rides. They even have to pay for the gas! Not only do vice presidents have very few constitutional responsibilities, they don't even have to pay for fuel for Airforce two! The taxpayers do that!

According to Secret Service records, the number of trips Hunter took with dad during his vice presidency was 411.

‘Breaking the News’ Reveals: Secret Service Records Show Hunter Biden Took at Least 23 flights Through Joint Base Andrews, Home of Air Force One and Two - Judicial Watch

Please read down the link to see the 411 number.

also;

quote:
Like Obama, Biden has done his fair share of globetrotting: The vice president has circled the globe over the past eight years—and you'd better believe there were some great selfie moments throughout those travels.

Admittedly, none of the pics in the following link seem to show Hunter anywhere. He musta ducked out of the way just in time!

A Look Back at Vice President Joe Biden's Travels?


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marc9000
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Message 204 of 258 (888807)
10-07-2021 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by AZPaul3
10-05-2021 4:04 PM


Re: Mi AF1 es su AF1
Can someone explain to me why anyone should care if Biden and son went on a plane trip?

It has to do with corruption and national security questions, Hunter's ties to politics and a foreign energy company.

Trump's children never got near suspicions like that, yet were targeted by the media for just about any activity they got involved in, including showing pictures of their children. I don't see any issues with national security there.

quote:
Given that many of Ivanka’s posts carry a sheen of self-promotion, it’s not surprising that the controversial first daughter faces pretty intense backlash on all of them, including those that feature her kids.

https://www.mercurynews.com/...sing-her-kids-on-social-media

Intense backlash? For self-promotion? What a crime!

Watch: Melania Trump blasts media for attacks on son, Barron, says "children should be off limits"

quote:
The first ladies who have occupied the White House since then – Laura Bush, Michelle Obama, Melania Trump – have not held positions within the administration. But of these three, only one was met with such a high level of vitriol from certain quarters of the press despite conducting herself with grace and class: Mrs. Trump.

A prime example of this occurred after the now former first lady decorated the White House for Christmas in 2018. As you may recall, red trees were part of her selection. Benign enough. It's just holiday decorations after all.

And then came the avalanche:

Washington Post:

"All the nightmares inspired by the White House’s blood-red Christmas trees."

Buzzfeed:

"This forest of trees that literally look like they're dripping in deep, red blood.

The Guardian:

"The first lady’s meme-ready holiday decorations detach viewers from nature, according to psychology experts."

ABC News:

"After 'The Handmaid’s Tale' references, Melania Trump defends her red Christmas trees."

And then there was Melania Trump's rearrangement of the Rose Garden last year, which Slate called "fit for an unchecked presidency" and "Versailles in miniature." One CNN political analyst accused her of cutting down "Jackie Kennedy's trees."

"Melania dug up the WH Rose Garden, removing roses from every First Lady since 1913," Occupy Democrats alleged in a post that went viral.

Several fact-checks shot down these ridiculous claims. But, as the saying goes, “a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.”


And with ABC World News Tonight, the shoes don't repair the lies too often.

quote:
Allegations are shared more on social media than are exonerations.

Per USA Today: "Based on our research, claims that first lady Melania Trump removed historic cherry trees and roses in her recent renovation of the White House's Rose Garden are FALSE. The trees that were relocated were crabapple trees, and roses from previous gardens had likely already died or been replaced before the renovation."

"The renovation also improved accessibility under the Americans with Disabilities Act," the fact-check adds.

These two examples – around such small-potatoes as Christmas trees and roses – underscore what met the now-former first lady on a regular basis. Even her accent was mocked on national television by the pope of late night, Jimmy Kimmel — and this occurred while she was reading to children during a White House Easter event. The backlash was swift, forcing Kimmel to apologize.

But the true low point came after Mrs. Trump had to undergo a procedure on her kidney, which required hospitalization afterward. Two weeks later, speculation of the grossest kind emerged after she wasn't seen publicly while recovering.

Here's one Rolling Stone senior writer's guessing that the first lady was being beaten at the White House by her presidential husband, generating 20,000 likes and apparently not in violation of Twitter’s super-selective "Terms of Service":

"I wish that I didn’t suspect that the prolonged, poorly explained public absence of Melania Trump could be about concealing abuse. I wish that it was a ludicrous prospect. I wish that the @POTUS wasn’t a man with a history of abusing women, including those to whom he is married."


I wonder what kind of put-downs like this could be done against Jill Biden. We'll never know, conservative commentary and media isn't that scummy.

Need some examples of the attacks on Eric and Donald jr. over the past 6 years? Sorry, not wasting any more of my time on that. But it's a fact that they've never been crackheads like Hunter Biden.

I think the republicans and their Reich-wing apologists like marc9000 are out to destroy the office of the presidency regardless of what that does to the state of our society.

"Destroy the office of the presidency"? After what Trump went through, Pelosi tearing up the state of the union speech, trivial impeachments, Maxine Waters and others incitements of violence, Trump's national network addresses being chopped off long before they were finished - and I am the one out to "destroy"?

What used to be the loyal opposition is no more. In republicans, loyalty has given way to stark hatred and the driving need to foster national failure on a grand world-wide scale. By causing the nation's failure the republicans hope to point to democrats as the cause.

Why do republicans so hate this nation? Why does marc9000 so hate this nation?

After the third-world style of hatred towards Trump, his family, and his supporters , I'd expect the left to drop this kind of talking point. But that's okay, it gets conservative media and commentary more and more popularity, as they marvel over the intelligence of the left.

Here's a reminder of one of my responses to you last may, that you never addressed.

Message 24

quote:
60 years ago, most Democrats agreed that taxpayer funded abortion was a bad idea. Not any more.

60 years ago, most Democrats agreed that prayer in schools was okay. Not any more.

60 years ago, most Democrats supported the second amendment. Not any more.

40 years ago, most Democrats supported fiscal responsibility. (not borrowing trillions for government pork) Not any more.

40 years ago (or 10 years ago) most Democrats would have laughed at the stupidity of calling free child care, free healthcare, free college, forgiveness of student debt as "infrastructure". Not any more.

30 years ago, most Democrats wouldn't have agreed with taxpayer funded special rights for blacks and gays. Not any more.

30 years ago, (or 10 years ago) most Democrats would have laughed at the thought of "defunding the police". Not any more.

20 years ago, most Democrats supported immigration laws, a secure southern border. Not any more.


So I have evidence that today's left hates U.S. foundings / founders, and traditional history. As I pointed out to you once before here somewhere, James Madison, the most prominent founder, said this;

quote:
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

A quote by James Madison

Let's see, "benevolence" / "human infrastructure"...."benevolence" / "human infrastructure"- the two terms seem very similar to me. Let's look at the definitions;

quote:
Benevolence; a desire to do good to others; goodwill; charitableness:
to be filled with benevolence toward one's fellow creatures.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/benevolence

quote:
The term human infrastructure is used to refer to the aspects of the facilities and systems of a place that affect and involve its people. The human infrastructure of a place (such as a country or city) is often understood to involve things like healthcare, childcare, education, and job training.

https://www.dictionary.com/...h-science/human-infrastructure

"Benevolence toward one's fellow creatures"? - "healthcare, childcare, education, job training"? Yes, very similar.

The above is my evidence that you and all your helpers here hate the U.S. far more than I do. Any counter evidence? Or just rage?


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marc9000
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Message 205 of 258 (888808)
10-07-2021 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Percy
10-06-2021 11:46 AM


Re: Mi AF1 es su AF1
As Marc has explained, the nearly weekly international trips Hunter Biden made with his father while vice-president (we know they happened, someone at Fox said so)

Fox got that information from "Judicial Watch", which obtained the Secret Service records. (linked above) Before you poison the wells, can you come up with a liberal source that proves that claim false? I did a quick check at the left-leaning Snopes, and couldn't find a reference to it. I'd expect them to be all over it if that claim were false.


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Message 206 of 258 (888809)
10-07-2021 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by marc9000
10-07-2021 11:54 AM


Hunter Biden’s travels.
quote:
According to Secret Service records, the number of trips Hunter took with dad during his vice presidency was 411.

‘Breaking the News’ Reveals: Secret Service Records Show Hunter Biden Took at Least 23 flights Through Joint Base Andrews, Home of Air Force One and Two - Judicial Watch


It says that the Secret Service reported a total of 411 trips. It does not say how many were with his father at all. The majority of them were domestic trips, not to foreign countries (note that the list includes trips within foreign countries, too) and they certainly weren’t all flights. The article says that there were 23 flights from Joint Base Andrews, but it doesn’t mention that only 2 were to foreign countries.

It also says that he visited 29 countries. As Vice President Joe Biden visited 57 (National Geographic).

So it’s really not looking like Hunter Biden “flew on air force 2 with his dad hundreds of times to foreign countries” (Message 161). The list doesn’t even include hundreds of flights to foreign countries (more like 60, including trips from one foreign country to another, and assuming all such trips were flights). And we can certainly rule out 400 trips on Air Force 2.


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Message 207 of 258 (888810)
10-07-2021 3:51 PM


PaulK to marc9000
So it’s really not looking like Hunter Biden “flew on air force 2 with his dad hundreds of times to foreign countries” (Message 161). The list doesn’t even include hundreds of flights to foreign countries (more like 60, including trips from one foreign country to another, and assuming all such trips were flights). And we can certainly rule out 400 trips on Air Force 2.

So marc9000 lied to us with all this Hunter bull crap.

marc 9000 to AZPaul3
The above is my evidence that you and all your helpers here hate the U.S. far more than I do. Any counter evidence? Or just rage?

You're an American-hating liar. My only reaction to you is disgust.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 208 of 258 (888811)
10-07-2021 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by AZPaul3
10-07-2021 3:51 PM


disgust may be too harsh
I really can't feel disgust when it comes to Marc9000 or so many other Americans; rather I feel pity and and concern since it seems they are simply incapable of any connection with honesty, reality, reasoning, discernment, discrimination or even basic reading comprehension.

Is it possible we are seeing some subtle effects similar to the lead poisoning resulting from Ethyl Gasoline exhaust, some universal result of exposure to yet another yet undetermined environmental pollution?

Edited by jar, : pluralization


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Message 209 of 258 (888812)
10-07-2021 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by PaulK
10-07-2021 1:14 PM


Re: Hunter Biden’s travels.
I was going to provide the correct information but had to run some errands and now you've already done that. I'll just add a couple things.

  • As the child of the vice president Hunter Biden had his own Secret Service detail.

  • The correct travel information that Marc linked to but misrepresented can be found at Secret Service Travel Log for Hunter Biden. I've set the link to open to page 6 where the travel details actually begin.

While it's always nice to have misinformation corrected, some people specialize in providing misinformation, so much of it that correcting it can turn into a full time job. There's an infinity of misinformation websites out there for them to draw upon, and there's no way to keep up with it. When somebody's proven over and over that that misinformation is their primary contribution, just ignoring them might be considered.

--Percy


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Message 210 of 258 (888813)
10-08-2021 6:33 AM
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10-06-2021 6:05 PM


Re: And why did this also take 9 months?

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