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Phat
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Message 1 of 80 (888981)
10-28-2021 11:26 AM


I stumbled across this quiz and thought I would share it here.
Quiz Website

quote:
(RNS) — The nature and extent of religious liberty in the U.S. has been a contested issue since the middle of the last century and in recent years a particularly neuralgic one. Judicial decisions and legal standards aside, what are your religious liberty druthers? If you haven’t considered the topic in the abstract, this quiz will help you gauge your reaction to some of the religious liberty questions the courts have wrestled with.

Answer each of the statements in the comment section below with (a) for “yes,” (b) for “no,” (c) for “it depends,” and (d) for “not sure.” A subsequent column will analyze the results.

1) Students should have a religious right not to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
2) Service personnel on military bases should be permitted religiously mandated headwear regardless of uniform dress codes.
3) Incarcerated persons should be permitted religiously mandated headwear regardless of prison dress codes.
4) Children should have a religious right to attend school without being vaccinated.
5) Individuals should have the right to proselytize in public spaces regardless of anti-solicitation ordinances.
6) Individuals should have the right to proselytize in semipublic spaces like shopping malls and baseball stadiums.
7) Teacher-led prayer should be permitted in public schools.
8) Student-led prayer should be permitted at public school assemblies.
9) Business owners should have a religious right to refuse service to customers on the basis of gender.
10) Business owners should have a religious right to refuse service to customers on the basis of race.
11) Pharmacists should have a religious right to refuse to sell contraceptive products to customers.
12) Houses of worship should be exempt from zoning regulations.
13) Religious organizations should be exempt from employment anti-discrimination laws.
14) Religious organizations should be exempt from workplace safety regulations.
15) Religious exemptions from vaccination mandates should be allowed under any circumstances.
16) Religious exemptions from vaccination mandates should be allowed if medical exemptions are allowed.
17) Individuals should have a religious right not to work on their holy days.
18) Religious organizations should have the same right to apply for government funding that secular organizations have.
19) Women should have a religious right to obtain an abortion regardless of government restrictions.
20) Indigenous peoples should have a religious right to refuse infrastructure construction on land they deem sacred.
21) Polygamy should be permitted as a religious right.
22) Publicly traded companies should have religious rights.
23) Religious organizations should have the right to refuse to cover contraceptive services in their health insurance plans.
24) For-profit companies should have a religious right to refuse to cover contraceptive services in their health insurance plans.
25) There should be a religious right to practice ritual cannibalism.



"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 9 of 80 (888989)
10-28-2021 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by kjsimons
10-28-2021 1:29 PM


On The Other Hand
Is it cannibalism if the Creator of all seen and unseen is feeding you (or offering you) what you need? Or are you going to be an independent prodigal and try and figure it all out for yourself?

Symbolism in so many ways. Yes, humans have joked about it, used it for their own nefarious ways. The demons imitate it. (think of all the off color jokes related to "eat me"...) But a day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a day without Him is a dust speck of an orphaned planet spinning off into the cosmos with a bunch of people clinging only to each other having lost their Father.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 12 of 80 (888992)
10-28-2021 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by ringo
10-28-2021 12:13 PM


Freedom From (or Of) Religion
Somebody may be pulling your leg.
As long as they don't do to my leg what we humans do to chicken drumsticks, we good. Their freedom stops where my leg begins. Jesus has plenty of food in His Temple. He even symbolically suggests that people can and should eat and drink that Temple.

God even sewed us clothes (a symbolic covering) in Genesis.

But lets get back to Phats topic and what ole Phat thinks about these questions, shall we?

quote:
Answer each of the statements in the comment section below with (a) for “yes,” (b) for “no,” (c) for “it depends,” and (d) for “not sure.” A subsequent column will analyze the results.

1) Students should have a religious right not to say the Pledge of Allegiance. I agree that they should have a right, period. Like nwr says.
2) Service personnel on military bases should be permitted religiously mandated headwear regardless of uniform dress codes. Yes, but only during Chapel. Military responsibilities and protocols over ride religious rights.
3) Incarcerated persons should be permitted religiously mandated headwear regardless of prison dress codes. Again, this is under the rules of the state. I would suppose that during times of solitude or worship they can wear what they want...but what if some guy claimed he had a religious right to be nude? See the complexities of this stuff?
4) Children should have a religious right to attend school without being vaccinated. This gets into the issue of whether the state has a social responsibility to protect other kids (yes) and whether the state can override your beliefs (yes to a limited degree when the safety of others is involved.) But the whole secular freedom from religion thing is itself a sub-topic. Can of worms. Hornets' nest.
5) Individuals should have the right to proselytize in public spaces regardless of anti-solicitation ordinances. On public property, yes. But they must not have the right to hate speech. Offending others using Jesus' name is only offending your demons anyway!
6) Individuals should have the right to proselytize in semipublic spaces like shopping malls and baseball stadiums. Yes, but no more than any other vendor hawking hot dogs and beer!
7) Teacher-led prayer should be permitted in public schools. Only if every student gets a note permitting them to listen. And prayer to whom? Odin? BigFoot? Leprechauns??? I don't think so!

8) Student-led prayer should be permitted at public school assemblies. Yes if it is brief and voluntary and that all religions can participate in their own groups. Keyword: Brief.
9) Business owners should have a religious right to refuse service to customers on the basis of gender. Nope. Service can only be refused due to offensive behavior by the customer.
10) Business owners should have a religious right to refuse service to customers on the basis of race. No. Obviously not.
11) Pharmacists should have a religious right to refuse to sell contraceptive products to customers. \[b\]Again, no. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars, including the right to engage in business.
12) Houses of worship should be exempt from zoning regulations. The question is why?
13) Religious organizations should be exempt from employment anti-discrimination laws. \[b\] No in most circumstances. I cant at the moment think of any exceptions.
14) Religious organizations should be exempt from workplace safety regulations.NO!
15) Religious exemptions from vaccination mandates should be allowed under any circumstances. Vaccinations are a public health issue. People can abstain, but then must wear masks in public and social distance.
16) Religious exemptions from vaccination mandates should be allowed if medical exemptions are allowed.
17) Individuals should have a religious right not to work on their holy days. Yes, within reasonable accommodation limits.
18) Religious organizations should have the same right to apply for government funding that secular organizations have. YES.
19) Women should have a religious right to obtain an abortion regardless of government restrictions. As long as they pay for it...unless they were raped.
20) Indigenous peoples should have a religious right to refuse infrastructure construction on land they deem sacred. depends whose land it legally is.
21) Polygamy should be permitted as a religious right.I suppose. Knock yourselves out.
22) Publicly traded companies should have religious rights. what rights are we talking about?
23) Religious organizations should have the right to refuse to cover contraceptive services in their health insurance plans. depends how much of a cost increase it is.
24) For-profit companies should have a religious right to refuse to cover contraceptive services in their health insurance plans.\[b\] wait a minute...are corporations people? nonetheless yes they do.


To be continued.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 21 of 80 (889034)
10-31-2021 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by AZPaul3
10-28-2021 11:04 PM


Lets Cancel Cancel Culture
Atheists make up less than 10% of the population and yet when one guy is offended on the public mall, he alone has the right to veto the Great Commission?
Here is what I got for you.

This whole cancel culture narrative is a liberal attempt to control what is said and heard. I say let's cancel the cancel culture nazis.

By the way, you are funny, AZPaul3. That's why we don't ignore you. You are part of the communion. I just slap around your demons now and then just as you do to me.

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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 22 of 80 (889035)
10-31-2021 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by jar
10-30-2021 6:31 PM


ct! Re: as long as they follow existing marketing, sales licensing.
jar writes:

If they claim to be able to sell someone salvation they should be required to provide proof of fact to back up their claims.

And just how do you propose we do that? You have asked me time and time again to explain how I know that what I market is GOD, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit and I have been unable to provide you any proof or evidence apart from my own fallible and occasionally nauseating self. (Which would be a reason not to accept my product!

Personally, it has been my understanding that if we market our product well, people will be offended. The reasoning is that if Jesus offended the mainstream (and was crucified for it) then any good mall prophet will be ridiculed and laughed at as well. Are you suggesting that the so-called Great Commission (our reason for marketing in the first place) needs to be kinder and gentler and proven to be an attractive product before it can be licensed for public consumption?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 24 of 80 (889038)
10-31-2021 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
10-31-2021 10:09 AM


Re: ct! Re: as long as they follow existing marketing, sales licensing.
jar writes:

If you offend thy neighbor you are doing it wrong.

Well if true, why was Jesus crucified? He obviously offended somebody.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 27 of 80 (889041)
10-31-2021 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Percy
10-31-2021 11:56 AM


Fairness Can Never Be Restored
Percy writes:

The statement should be, "The United States should abandon our system of employer provided health insurance."

Well I strongly disagree with that one. This past year involved more visits to Doctors and specialists than any year prior....more than the previous ten years combined. I have a job at a unionized grocery store and likely would pay more than the $10.00 a month that I pay for the insurance. (United Health Care) My medical bills were initially $136,000.00. The insurance reduced them by $110,000.00 and I ended up paying $4000.00 out of pocket. Without my employer provided insurance I would likely be in far worse shape. Can anyone seriously suggest that I would pay less for better insurance? Granted my employer pays roughly $800.00 a month for my coverage, but they also let $4000.00 a day worth of groceries waltz out the front door to avoid occasional lawsuits from disgruntled customers who were unfairly targeted...nevermind the cadre of addicted drug addicts and blatant criminals who earn a "livlihood" stealing from my employer. Yes I realize that I should help these people and be part of the solution rather than the problem. I do show some real love at times and amaze even myself. But im no liberal who could care less what costs the company. My Dad was self-employed and if someone stole from his company it would be as if they were stealing from me. And mandatory higher taxation and tolerance for the human condition does not extend to mandatory taxation upon my hardworking old self. I see it all as evil, evil, evil. There is no excuse.

It should be, "Indigenous people should be returned all land stolen from them."

Stop and think. If the government ordered Manhatten, for example, returned to the tribe of long ago, assuming they could even be properly located, what effect would that have on the forme tenants? The taxpayers? The displaced people? (Two wrongs dont make a right) Nevermind honor. Would the heirs be worthy of it any more than the former "occupiers"? Indeed...would such a move collapse the US economy? These types of reparations arguments are more complex than simply restoring honor. Let's say that I lived on "land" belonging to some long-forgotten tribe and that by law it was taken from me and I became a desperate homeless old man who likely would die on the street? Perhaps out of a drug-addicted and brain-addled old mind I even began to steal from grocery stores for sheer survival. So what have your liberal mandates regarding honor and reparations then done for me?

Again...two wrongs don't make a right. The idea that honor and fairness can be restored to society-at-large is a pipe dream.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 28 of 80 (889042)
10-31-2021 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by nwr
10-31-2021 12:09 PM


Its The Republicans, Stupid
Why do religious arguments always come back to politics? Were Jesus here today He likely would see sin in both ideologies.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 38 of 80 (889127)
11-06-2021 7:15 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by jar
10-31-2021 4:05 PM


If Jesus Were To Return Today...
jar writes:

He would condemn everyone in the Right to Life cult.

He would condemn everyone who tried to restrict voting right or deny comfort to those trying to vote.

He would condemn everyone opposing efforts to mitigate global warming.

He would condemn everyone who opposes universal healthcare and a single-payer system.

He would condemn everyone that stormed the Capitol on January 6th.

So would He condemn efforts to form a mandatory government who told us what we must pay, to whom, and for how much?

Would He condemn those who opposed religion?

Would He accept those who did not believe in Him? Would He oppose those who did?

Would He care what we professed and would He applaud those who did what He said regarding helping, feeding and clothing others? Would He condemn most current professors of Christianity? Would He thus favor those who were empathetic humanists who denied that He was real yet who advocated mandatory taxation to help not only the nation but the whole world? Would He mind the inflation and debasement of the currency and the dishonest ponzi scheme of the current Federal Reserve and Treasury Department?

Lets Stop And Think.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 41 of 80 (889156)
11-07-2021 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by ringo
10-31-2021 2:30 PM


Re: Fairness Can Never Be Restored
In other words, the kind liberals would treat me no different than other poor people. They advocate hollowing out the middle in order to support the least of these. Food, clothing, and shelter are not enough for me.

At least the conservatives want to support the middle class instead of wrecking them in order to appease and help the poor.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 46 of 80 (889179)
11-08-2021 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by dwise1
11-08-2021 11:25 AM


Re: Fairness Can Never Be Restored
Exactly. Couldnt of said it better myself. The rich rob everybody else in a sense. What ringo either fails to understand or doesnt care about is that the working middle class are stuck with the added burden of lifting up the poor. It seems unfair for us to bear this burden and does not help us. Granted Jesus may applaud us giving it all up but making the middle class poorer does NOT help everybody.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 51 of 80 (889204)
11-10-2021 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by ringo
11-09-2021 11:01 AM


Re: Fairness Can Never Be Restored
Well ringo you *do* make sense. I really shouldnt have any animosity but what riles me up in general about the urban poor apart from the fact that so many of them steal from the store I work at(is)the perception that times are getting worse...and not. just economically but in terms of human behavior.

This bothers me and is not simply a political issue that can be fixed through funding!
If human disrespect and callous disregard for their fellow man is bad now, how much worse could it be if times get tougher?

Every time a cartful of boostable products go out our doors I see less chance of a needed cost of living increase for the workers. And i cant help being irritated by the shoplifters...they could care less about employee livlihood.

When i was growing up we were always taught to respect the system rather than attempt to destroy it!!

Of course the Lord has me imagine seeing life through the street peoples eyes.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 57 of 80 (889269)
11-13-2021 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by AZPaul3
11-12-2021 10:05 PM


Re: Fairness Can Never Be Restored
It likely cuts in to the hours allowed for us. Which affects MY Bottom line!

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 60 of 80 (889302)
11-15-2021 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by AZPaul3
11-12-2021 10:05 PM


Most Shoplifters Are NOT Poor
Watch this quick video from the news about the types of shoplifters we see every day!


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 62 of 80 (889304)
11-15-2021 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Tangle
11-15-2021 3:44 PM


Re: Most Shoplifters Are NOT Poor
At least once a week...though we never go outside like those guys did

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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