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jar
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Message 871 of 884 (887633)
08-16-2021 6:26 AM
Reply to: Message 870 by Tanypteryx
08-15-2021 9:16 PM


Re: Hot Enough For You?
It's good to be old.

Down here I try to keep the house cooled down to around 85 during the day and about 80 at night so I can sleep.

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AZPaul3
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Message 872 of 884 (887634)
08-16-2021 9:25 AM
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08-15-2021 9:16 PM


Re: Hot Enough For You?
Here in Phoenix it is hot as usual. We haven't had an unusually hot or cool summer.

What we have had is an apparent collapse of the arthropod population here in the Valley of The Sun. I used to spray my apartment every 6 months or so. It was easy to keep on that schedule because the roaches and ants kept showing up as a reminder. That has stopped. I haven't sprayed in over 3 years and neither have the neighbors.

It's become so bad that you can't find an apartment in the Phoenix area with the usual expected roach problem and my favorite park has maybe one ant mound in areas where a few years ago there used to be several.

I don't think it's just the Valley. You're a bug guy. You seeing this collapse elsewhere?

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Tanypteryx
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Message 873 of 884 (887635)
08-16-2021 10:06 AM
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08-16-2021 6:26 AM


Re: Hot Enough For You?
It's good to be old.

Down here I try to keep the house cooled down to around 85 during the day and about 80 at night so I can sleep.

If you were young you wouldn't need sleep!


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Message 874 of 884 (887636)
08-16-2021 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 872 by AZPaul3
08-16-2021 9:25 AM


Re: Hot Enough For You?
What we have had is an apparent collapse of the arthropod population here in the Valley of The Sun. I used to spray my apartment every 6 months or so. It was easy to keep on that schedule because the roaches and ants kept showing up as a reminder. That has stopped. I haven't sprayed in over 3 years and neither have the neighbors.

Roaches don't seem to be a problem around here, but little tiny ants invaded my bathroom last week. Terro ant bait does the trick. Targeted pesticides have less impact on beneficial insects.

In general, the public here in the US, is terrified of insects. They think there are a few hundred species and they are all pests. The only good bug is a dead one. It turns out that the terrestrial biosphere cannot function without them and it is collapsing world wide. Humans have finally developed some really, really effective pesticides that will kill everything and they are persistent in the environment.

Remember when you were a kid and when you went for a drive and the car windshield would be covered with splattered insects? Well, that doesn't happen any more and most people are happy about that.

A part of the collapse is that many insects are getting out of synch with their host plants so the larvae don't have the specific food source they need at the critical growth stage of their life cycles. This phenomena is being reported by ornithologists as well. The insect larvae that birds feed their nestlings have already pupated and become adults. Pollinators are getting out of synch with the blooming of the plants. Add in invasive species being spread around the planet with global trade (pest insects seem to be really good at colonizing new territory where the normal controls on population growth are nonexistent).

One of the more famous insects where we are seeing these effects is the Monarch butterfly, but it is happening to tens of thousands of other species that no one is paying attention to.

Climate change and other human activities are the cause of this insect apocalypse.

Humanity is plunging over a thousand mile high cliff, on fire with a nuclear bomb in our mouth.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 875 of 884 (887640)
08-16-2021 11:50 AM
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08-16-2021 10:59 AM


Re: Hot Enough For You?
Tanypteryx writes:

One of the more famous insects where we are seeing these effects is the Monarch butterfly....


Around here, the environmentalists encourage people to attract butterflies (because we like butterflies) by letting plants like milkweeds grow. Meanwhile, the city government still considers milkweeds a "noxious weed" and if you don't kill them a city crew will come and do it for you and add the cost to your tax bill. After more than twenty years of fighting them, I finally gave up the house. Now I go around seeding milkweeds as much as I can.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 876 of 884 (887661)
08-18-2021 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 862 by Phat
08-12-2021 7:04 PM


Re: My Reaction to Dire Predictions
People should start ignoring your posts, and you're off-topic anyway. Preach somewhere else.

--Percy


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AZPaul3
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Message 877 of 884 (887667)
08-18-2021 6:42 PM


Mom's Mad!
The universe knows we recently released an IPCC report admitting we’re losing and to expect more bad news. Now prescient science decides to slap us in the face with prediction come true just for emphasis.

Since June 2021 Siberia has been on fire. Worse than the California hits these last few years. Worse than the Amazon these last few years.

Siberian wildfires double greenhouse gas emission record: This is how they look from space.

So big is the burn, just since June, the carbon released into the global environment has exceeded that of our 6th biggest annual polluter, Germany. In 3 months we have added an entire Germany’s worth of annual pollution to our air. Twice the greenhouse gas emissions of any burn on record.

IPCC cautions such burns will get worse.

The nation of Burning Siberia, which just popped up out of nowhere, is now exceeding Germany for 6th biggest annual polluter worsening humanity's present problems on this planet considerably.

And ... that wasn't us burning stuff.

I think we just got the finger from Mother Nature.

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Message 878 of 884 (887870)
08-24-2021 12:18 PM


Apologies to Billy Joel
Donald Trump, Albert Gore, Greta Thunberg, flooded shore
Global warming, Fast Color, Kyoto protocol
Forest fires, massive drought, anthracite, skeptics doubt
Rachel Carson, Paris pact, Jair Bolsonaro

We started the fire
Now we are burning
While the world is turning
Yes, we did start this fire
We burn more to spite it
While we try to fight it

Apocalypse, killer bees, Montreal, rising seas
Anthropomorphic heat, An Inconvenient Truth
Massive floods, farmers fry, fallen forests, Exxon lie
Ice sheets melt, AR6, barred from the voting booth

Yes, we started this fire
And now we are burning
While the world is turning
Yes, we did start this fire
And it's all upon us
As extinction calls us on, and on, and on, and on

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Message 879 of 884 (887881)
08-24-2021 7:49 PM


Species Check Please

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Message 880 of 884 (887892)
08-25-2021 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 879 by AZPaul3
08-24-2021 7:49 PM


Re: Species Check Please
"Man has always assumed that he is more intelligent than dolphins because he has achieved so much--the wheel, New York, wars and so on -- while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But, conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man -- for precisely the same reasons."

How right they are...


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 881 of 884 (887900)
08-25-2021 12:05 PM
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08-24-2021 7:49 PM


Re: Species Check Please
A dolphin's view of a Rapture.

"So long, and thanks for all the fish!"


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 882 of 884 (889097)
11-02-2021 12:20 PM


Improving a Headline
Nearly 90 countries join pact to slash planet-warming methane emissions, says one headline. Over 100 countries vow to end deforestation, says another. A better headline: "Scores of Countries Hypocritically Pledge to Slash Methane Emissions and End Deforestation."

Almost all countries have already demonstrated they're unable to follow such pledges, and even if that weren't true we're already screwed. Many analyses say the tipping point (the point of no return) is 2050 or 2060, but it's not. It's sooner. I don't have science behind me, but so far all the pie-in-the-sky scientific predictions are trailing the reality on the ground.

The effects of climate change do not lie in the future but are now. Low-lying island nations are already beginning to disappear. Coastal regions around the world are losing land to the sea. Extreme heat is causing forest fires in the US, China and Australia. The western US is being hit by droughts that have brought reservoirs like Lake Mead to record lows.

In the future the Gulf Stream will eventually be interrupted (because of melting glacial ice in Greenland) depriving Europe of its warm currents and sending it into a mini-ice age. Aridness and droughts will afflict some regions, high humidity and frequent rains others.

The world will be overwhelmed by the consequences of climate change. Famine, floods and extreme weather events will kill billions by the end of the century. In the end we'll find that climate change is self-correcting as the contributors to that change are gradually eliminated by it.

--Percy


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AZPaul3
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Message 883 of 884 (889099)
11-02-2021 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 882 by Percy
11-02-2021 12:20 PM


Re: Improving a Headline
Thank you, Percy. Well said.

I just want to point out that one of the most dangerous aspects of global climate change is the many devastating regional wars that will cause more suffering and death than the environment itself.

We're dealing with human's here. We won't do anything to forestall disaster but we will gear up so when we lose our resources we can come get yours.

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Message 884 of 884 (889509)
12-02-2021 10:42 AM


Big Oil Still Lying.
This study shows that the big oil oligarchs are still pushing fake studies and false claims about climate change.

Computer-assisted classification of contrarian claims about climate change

The study breaks up anti-climate claims into 5 major categories and follows who is spreading the mis-information and who funded the papers involved.

So, there is a conspiracy led by big oil to destroy climate change mitigation efforts that is pervasive and ongoing.

Surprise.

Since perspective is nice and she does such a good job I'll let Ms. Watson explain.


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