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LamarkNewAge 
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Message 124 of 171 (889091)
11-02-2021 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by AZPaul3
11-01-2021 10:46 PM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
My Aic was 5.7, but get this...

I ate a meal...

Blood sugar about 180 n hour later.

About 130 almost 2 hours later

30 minutes later...

I was at a 66 sugar level.

Same pattern. Over and over again.

I drink lots of soda. Eat a lot. Constantly.

Aic means little.

(Haven't gotten a sugar test in 4 to 5 years though. Except a 171 sugar level right after I ate lots of donuts and drank myself into a head injury, which put me into the hospital for a few unconscious days. Nevermind that)

5 years ago, I would as always be at 70 after a 1.5 to 2 hour fast. But a high Aic.

Dont trust the Aic.


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Message 125 of 171 (889092)
11-02-2021 2:45 AM
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11-01-2021 8:27 PM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
Just wait long enough to eat and you will be in a 65 to 70 sugar level.

Everyone gets down to this level if they wait long enough to eat.

Ask if anything is permissible (like smokes or anything to keep you from eating).

It is that simple.


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Message 130 of 171 (889105)
11-02-2021 9:22 PM


My comment on the A1C test was relative to AzPaul's comment.
He said that a 5.6 A1C reading was indicative of a developing diabetes disease.

My point, to AzPaul, was that the A1C reading can simply mean that you eat all day.

I was not saying that constant sugar spikes will not give you "enough" hours of high sugar levels that sugar will not - for example - grind your artery walls to the point that your cholesterol levels wont spike, via the resulting inflammation, to clot - in an effort to repair the damaged vessel's walls. A blood clot can cause dreadful events.

(My comment to Phat was that he probably needs a predictable dietary routine. I would say he needs to eat roughly the same food every day. And at the same time. I would highly recommend that he eats only 1 to 2 meals a day. If he works 8 to 4, then eat a big breakfast, and then a lunch (whatever size). Skip eating anything after lunch. But insulin use will require trial and error, due to artificial insulin causing diverse sugar level issues while discovering the ideal dietary routine.

Phat is in such dreadful shape, that he should not be too fearful of "low sugar", but that is a relative comparison.

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Message 131 of 171 (889106)
11-02-2021 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by AnswersInGenitals
11-02-2021 7:15 PM


Re: Phats Health Update (November 1st,2021)
Unless you know alot about which exact foods do WHAT to your sugar levels, just assume that ANY eating will shot you sugar up for hours, perhaps many hours.

Potatoes shoot up some people's sugar levels massively. Most people have fairly low sugar spikes from the fiber and nutrients in potatoes. White rice, absent fiber, can contribute massively to night heart attacks.

The Hershel Walker diet ( just in morning) works wonders against sugar.

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Message 133 of 171 (889109)
11-02-2021 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by AZPaul3
11-02-2021 10:15 PM


Re: My comment on the A1C test was relative to AzPaul's comment.
What is misleading about A1c sugar

I put that into google

(I have never researched the issue before; research that is, including online reading. BUT A TWIST: except I had to literally buy testing devices from diabetics, once I found out what A1c was, about 6 to 7 years ago. I also went to some friendly places, for finger prick tests )

My Google search found doctor opinions. Many.

See :

Why hemoglobin A1c Is Not a Reliable Marker

By Chris Kresser

2016

Talk to me once you learn a bit. AZPaul

(I admit that I don't know exactly why the A1c is so misleading )

(But it is)


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Message 134 of 171 (889112)
11-03-2021 2:42 AM


AzPaul says a 5.6 A1C points toward future diabetes. I suspect his evidence is ZERO
I would like to see the percentage of the population that has diabetes.

I would like to see a breakdown of the population with respect to the percentage of people who have what exact A1C.

(This would be a start of AzPaul demonstrating he can actually hold a genuinely credible debating position)

(I must edit yo point out that this would STILL be just a basic start for AzPaul. Big for him, but very basic for those who are critically minded, and want to dig deeper into the relevant research)

(I ask that Percy foes not continue to ruin discussions with his trademark canards. Leave the straw men out of this discussion - truthfully, the fake projections have already nearly derailed the actual issues)

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Message 135 of 171 (889116)
11-03-2021 8:57 PM


Diabetics have to fear the insulin bringing sugar levels to fatally low levels.
I wonder how difficult it is for Phat to bring sugar levels, not just lower, but to achieve the balance.

I ask Phat more questions.

Do you have any "predictable" foods that raise your sugar levels to a consistent level? Do you know what the right amount of insulin is for certain meals?

How late do you eat?

What has your doctor said about the cause of sugar spikes? Is he afraid to prescribe larger amounts of insulin due to fears that it could bring your sugar to dangerously low levels?

Do you consider it dangerous to take insulin while you fast?


  
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Message 137 of 171 (889124)
11-05-2021 2:05 PM
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11-05-2021 11:53 AM


Re: My comment on the A1C test was relative to AzPaul's comment.
Did you just tee-up a post from Cannard-Meister, aka Percy?
Get ready for a legacy comment for posterity.

Condescentipn coming.


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Message 140 of 171 (889133)
11-06-2021 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Aussie
11-06-2021 3:05 PM


Re: My comment on the A1C test was relative to AzPaul's comment.
You said A1C was 6.5.

You take insulin, right?

The fact that you have a problem with your body's own insulin is what makes you diabetic, right?

You seem to have an A1C that might put you in the "pre diabetic" stage, based on raw numbers. But it is lower than a diabetic level because A1C measures you average daily levels (going back a certain amount of days)

Earlier, I said the A1C was misleading, with respect to its sugar level number indicating diabetes,because you could have a person eat constantly (eat all day, my words) and thus have a constant "sugar spike" effect on your levels.

AzPaul said the "3 month" average would cancel out the spikes, but what if somebody eats every hour, 16 hours a day, for 3 months? (I dont necessarily accept his exact "3 month" trail, mind you)

A1C scores do not always indicate insulin production issues in the body. That was my situation (5 years ago anyway).


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Message 144 of 171 (889138)
11-07-2021 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by AZPaul3
11-07-2021 10:04 AM


Re: Research, smesearch. Who needs it!
So it does not matter what anybody eats?

Or how often they eat?

Just take insulin?

What about pre-diabetics? Doctors will not prescribe insulin, nor will the prescribe needles & a testing kit. These are not over the counter items, right?

So what is your "solution", exactly?

You keep conflating my discussion with you (and your canards have swallowed nearly every) with my questions/comments to Phat. You take individual sentences and (mis)use them for your straw man responses.

Sorry if I missed any points if substance. Do you have any?


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Message 145 of 171 (889139)
11-07-2021 12:37 PM
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11-07-2021 10:04 AM


AzPaul said sugar spikes mean nothing. That is a substantial claim. Commentary on!
I must comment.

The only time my sugar would go above 70 was when I ate. And it would be back down to 70 almost right away. 2 hours or slightly longer, and the level would typically hit exactly 70, and stay that way.

As late as the age of 40, my body would bring my sugar down to 70. So no natural insulin problems for me.

But my A1C was higher than yours, and you said your 5.6 level indicated developing diabetes.

That was an after-meal "sugar spike", right?

I always had spikes. I never stopped eating before comprehensive blood work tests. Might explain why my cholesterol levels were low, but triglycerides were high. My last test, in 2017, saw cholesterol at 121, but triglycerides at about 350 to 400. I was eating right up to the test. My sugar was 108, A1C was down to 5.3 I think. It was 5.7.

(My cholesterol was never above 162)

I think I know something about spikes.

I think you have said a whole lot about nothing.

I never got to ask you, but do you consider consider diabetes to be purely or mostly hereditary. I struggle with finding actual substance from you.


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Message 148 of 171 (889144)
11-07-2021 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by PaulK
11-07-2021 12:48 PM


Re: Research, smesearch. Who needs it!
I never said anything about "recent meals"

We were talking about the A1C.

(Recent meals were used in a different context, so read my posts again)

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Message 150 of 171 (889148)
11-07-2021 2:27 PM
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11-07-2021 2:20 PM


Re: Research, smesearch. Who needs it!
I was showing that my body had no trouble breaking down sugar.

My A1C level of 5.7 indicated otherwise, according to AzPauls commentary on pre diabetes.

It is obvious, to those with integrity, that I was not saying my morning meal influenced my hour-later A1C.

This is so obvious that I wonder if I should spend any more time responding to straw man crap.


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Message 155 of 171 (889159)
11-07-2021 3:55 PM


Fair Warning: I am about to bring science into this discussion (run from study NOW
A1C Between 5.7 and 6.4% as a Marker for Identifying Pre-Diabetes, Insulin Sensitivity and Secretion, and Cardiovascular Risk Factors

The Insulin Resistance Atherosclerosis Study
(IRAS)

....

Objective

A1C is an optional method for diagnosing diabetes and also for detecting individuals at increased risk of the disease. However, how A1C compares with fasting (FPG) and 2-h plasma glucose for detecting at-risk individuals is not well known.

....

Results

IFG and IGT identified 69.1 and 59.5% of all individuals at increased risk of diabetes, respectively. A1C 5.7-6.4 detected 23.6% of all at risk individuals


  
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Message 156 of 171 (889160)
11-07-2021 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by jar
11-07-2021 3:02 PM


Re: testing kits including lancets (needles)
I am a blah-poop.

I never heard of a 2 hour testing method, until now.

It is IGT.

But I thought I invented it years ago.

I discovered it only days ago, in the literature.

I practised it without knowing it was an established method.

A scientific practice I found independent of the literature.

I lived it!


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