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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: Watch this quick video from the news about the types of shoplifters we see every day! You see that everyday Phat? Are you sure?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
At least once a week...though we never go outside like those guys did
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: At least once a week...though we never go outside like those guys did Ok so not everyday and you don't go out to see it. Have you ever seen four people in two people carriers with number plates removed do anything like that at your store? That's not personal shoplifting, that's organised, large-scale theft. If that happened everyday the store would employ security, not just because of the revenue loss but because of reputational damage.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Have you ever seen four people in two people carriers with number plates removed do anything like that at your store? .Several times. The main difference is that they park outside one of the fire exits and go through there when leaving, as the guard is usually preoccupied up front or has already left.(at 9pm) We have even identified who the perpetrators are by sight. There are likely around 10-12 who do this sort of thing on an ongoing basis. The store security sees them at more than one Safeway as do our competitors.
That's not personal shoplifting, that's organized, large-scale theft. If that happened every day the store would employ security, not just because of the revenue loss but because of reputational damage. One would think so. The store loses roughly $3500.00 a day on average. The fact that they don't have permanent security is bewildering to us. We almost think that the head of security is himself in cahoots with organized crime!! The union has lobbied for armed security as a safety issue but so far no results. We also have smaller time thieves. They roll one cart out and roll it down the street to the bus stop. They are likely the poor disenfranchised masses that tug at your humanistic heartstrings."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: Several times Ok, so we've now gone from something you see everyday to something you see every week to something you've seen several times.
The store loses roughly $3500.00 a day on average What is the store's average daily sales?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Well, those are the ones we've been talking about. You seem to be just as outraged at them.
We also have smaller time thieves. They roll one cart out and roll it down the street to the bus stop. They are likely the poor disenfranchised masses that tug at your humanistic heartstrings. Phat writes:
I hope your union isn't stupid enough to think that more guns will make you safer. If they are, and if you have have half a brain, you'll tell your union to stop that lobbying. The union has lobbied for armed security as a safety issue but so far no results."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Percy Member Posts: 22389 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Most of what you've been saying the past few months has been nonsense, so I see little likelihood that you've suddenly lapsed into lucidity. Your claims have already shifted, you're telling an incredible story, and I don't think you have a clue what's going on in your grocery store.
$3500/day shrinkage would be 2-3% for a grocery store doing $150,000/day, which looking it up with Google appears to be about average. The categories and percentages of total shrinkage that one supermarket chain reported a few years ago are theft (20%), receiving (11%), damage (5%), retail pricing (4%), accounting errors (3%), and perishables (56%). You definitely are not losing $3500/day to shoplifting. Your management is probably spending their time more profitably working the perishable problem. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Vocabulary.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
One would think so. The store loses roughly $3500.00 a day on average.
The reason that the store does not hire more security, is that they have calculated that the cost of the additional security is greater than the shoplifting losses they might prevent. Some of that shoplifting loss (or pilferage) is probably theft by store employees.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
cLOSING. We are off-topic anyway.
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The Moderator Guidelines are in need of revision, but one instruction that has been there for a long time and that will definitely survive any and all revisions is this one under Moderator Instructions:
There's also this one under Important Moderator Qualities:
AdminPhat's closing of this thread violates these moderator guidelines. There was no warning, and Adminphat was moderating a thread where he was not only the participant but the originator. I have reopened this thread.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Percy writes: The audacity! For your information, I was shown the monthly figure which was over $115,000.00. Do the math. You seem to think im a blithering idiot.
You definitely are not losing $3500/day to shoplifting. $3500/day shrinkage would be 2-3% for a grocery store doing $150,000/day We do around $70,000.00 a day.
socialist ringo writes: Because that's how America works. We don't strive for everyone to be making the same wage. Our wage has actually dropped in purchasing power over the past twenty years. The fact that I make more than you is irrelevant. I don't complain that Percy or nwr or Tangle make more than I do. Your Socialism is showing again! Why should people care about your livelihood when it's already so much better than their own? Which by the way leads us on yet another rabbit trail.Saule Omarova Is anyone aware of her plans to nationalize the currency and essentially eliminate private banking? Don't get me started on what a threat that is. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I hope your union isn't stupid enough to think that more guns will make you safer. If they are, and if you have half a brain, you'll tell your union to stop that lobbying. Let me be more precise. We wanted off-duty police to patrol some of our stores. We have no position on armed or not. We just want the authority present to stop the evil that abounds. I mean what's the alternative?... To allow the public Carte-Blanche on shoplifting? As the shoplifters become more brazen we fear for our security personally."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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I mean what's the alternative?... To allow the public Carte-Blanche on shoplifting? I can think of several alternatives. First, stop lumping desperate people in with professional thieves. Start voting for policies and politicians that don't treat poverty as a character flaw. Stop acting as if, since everything can't be fixed perfectly at once, we should never even bother to do anything to improve any issue. Stop acting as if, acting to improve people's lives is going to make YOU poorer than not acting to improve anything.
Stop supporting people who's solution for any problem of government, is NOT TO FIX IT OR IMPROVE IT, BUT TO DESTROY IT!!!! Doing these things does not diminish you in any way.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I can understand that, it's not right that people can just do that sort of thing and you naturally want to try to stop it.
But it ain't your shop and the owners don't care so why should you?
As the shoplifters become more brazen we fear for our security personally. You're not at risk if you don't intervene and you're told not to aren't you?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Our wage has actually dropped in purchasing power over the past twenty years.
Then you should stop voting for Republicans.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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