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xongsmith
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Message 346 of 414 (889395)
11-24-2021 9:24 AM
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11-23-2021 11:15 AM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Ringo writes to Sara Bellum:
Would it kill you to put some effort into your posts?

i know. look right above your post, she just wrote "True" to a message from way back that Percy luckily installed a tracing method to find.


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Phat
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Message 347 of 414 (889466)
11-28-2021 3:10 PM
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08-18-2021 4:34 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
It will be interesting as to the response you bleeding hearts give to the situation of unabashed and out-of-control looting and shoplifting in San Francisco. It appears to me that all races are involved and it looks to me as if it stems from blatant lawlessness. We need bigger prisons.

DailyMail writes:

San Francisco's notoriously woke District Attorney Chesa Boudin says his office has filed criminal charges against nine people involved in Friday's brazen organized theft of a Louis Vuitton store - with more arrests to come.

The progressive top prosecutor has come under enormous pressure in recent days following a spate of viral videos which show organized groups of thieves ransacking and looting designer stores in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Boudin told reporters during a news conference in San Francisco on Tuesday that the suspects will be charged with crimes including looting, grand theft, burglary, possession of stolen property, firearm possession, commercial burglary.

Two of those arrested were found to be in possession of firearms, according to the district attorney.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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jar
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Message 348 of 414 (889467)
11-28-2021 3:49 PM
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11-28-2021 3:10 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
LOL

Think Phat.

What exactly do you see?


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AZPaul3
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Message 349 of 414 (889468)
11-28-2021 4:41 PM
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11-28-2021 3:10 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
As I understand the statistics usual in that urban demographic I would think you might have a problem with this story.

The majority of the perps would self identify as christian.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 350 of 414 (889469)
11-28-2021 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 347 by Phat
11-28-2021 3:10 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
It will be interesting as to the response you bleeding hearts give to the situation of unabashed and out-of-control looting and shoplifting in San Francisco.

Honestly Phat, I don't understand the point of this.

What happened there is not close to what people normally mean by "shoplifting". By misrepresenting it as shoplifting, you only damage your own argument and destroy what little credibility you have left.


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Phat
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Message 351 of 414 (889474)
11-29-2021 10:33 AM
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11-28-2021 5:25 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
nwr writes:

Honestly Phat, I don't understand the point of this.

What happened there is not close to what people normally mean by "shoplifting". By misrepresenting it as shoplifting, you only damage your own argument and destroy what little credibility you have left.

My credibility can only be preserved through honesty. Lawlessness annoys me. Even worse it scares me. I realize that what happened there is not ordinary shoplifting. It is a mob mentality in action. As for the charge that they claimed to be Christians, that is irrelevant. It is not what one claims but what one does. You guys even taught me that!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 352 of 414 (889475)
11-29-2021 10:36 AM
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11-28-2021 4:41 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
I suppose you imagine that atheists would never do such a thing! The behavior of a group is a behavior unto itself. The makeup of the individuals present is irrelevant.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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ringo
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Message 353 of 414 (889476)
11-29-2021 10:48 AM
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11-28-2021 3:10 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
Phat writes:

It will be interesting as to the response you bleeding hearts give to the situation of unabashed and out-of-control looting and shoplifting in San Francisco.


1. Jesus was a bleeding heart.
2. His response was, "Go and sin no more."

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 354 of 414 (889479)
11-29-2021 11:39 AM
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11-28-2021 3:49 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
jar writes:

Think Phat.

What exactly do you see?

Im not sure that I understand.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 355 of 414 (889481)
11-29-2021 11:51 AM
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11-29-2021 10:48 AM


s against us.Re: Darker Future For USA
Jesus was indeed a bleeding heart. His was of the noble variety. This is unlike the modern definitions of bleeding heart
quote:
Fig. someone, usually considered politically liberal or leftist, who is very emotional about certain political issues, such as endangered species, downtrodden people, the suffering poor, etc. Bob is such a bleeding heart. No cause is too far out for him.(...)a person considered to be dangerously soft-hearted, typically someone too liberal or left-wing in their political beliefs. (...)A person who shows an overwhelming and often ostentatious display of sympathy, especially for those perceived as victims.

What you guys fail to understand is that many of these so-named victims would never know what to do with a stimulus check or a reparations tax break if it were handed to them. The reeducation must happen first. The reparations and lavish tax breaks will only be effective after that. Same with jars' observation that had the US helped the world (they)would have been better off. Never mind that many of "them" use our own weapons against us.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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ringo
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Message 356 of 414 (889482)
11-29-2021 12:06 PM
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11-29-2021 11:51 AM


Re: s against us.Re: Darker Future For USA
Phat writes:

Jesus was indeed a bleeding heart. His was of the noble variety. This is unlike the modern definitions of bleeding heart


Your "definition" is how right-wing nuts define it. You think "bleeding heart" is an insult when it should be Step One.

Phat writes:

What you guys fail to understand is that many of these so-named victims would never know what to do with a stimulus check or a reparations tax break if it were handed to them.


It has nothing to do with "failing to understand." It's about empathy. Your "understanding" is just grasping for excuses to do nothing.

Phat writes:

The reeducation must happen first. The reparations and lavish tax breaks will only be effective after that.


What?

Don't the reparations go to the opposite end of the economic spectrum from the tax breaks?

Phat writes:

Same with jars' observation that had the US helped the world (they)would have been better off. Never mind that many of "them" use our own weapons against us.


That would be the fault of the arms-makers and the arms-sellers, wouldn't it?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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jar
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Message 357 of 414 (889484)
11-29-2021 3:10 PM
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11-29-2021 10:33 AM


Re: Darker Future For USA
Phat writes:

As for the charge that they claimed to be Christians, that is irrelevant. It is not what one claims but what one does. You guys even taught me that!

No Phat; can you NEVER actually learn what others say?

Of course, they can be Christians. Being a Christian or Not a Christian has absolutely nothing to do with what someone does.

To be a Christian all one needs is to be a member of any one of the chapters of Club Christian.

There is no evidence that the membership of a Christian has ANYTHING to do with either following what Jesus is written to have taught or even the lowest level of morality and honesty.

The evidence does show that a vast body of Christians and Christianity do not exhibit what Jesus is written to have taught or even the lowest level of morality and honesty.

Edited by jar, : missing the


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jar
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Message 358 of 414 (889485)
11-29-2021 3:15 PM
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Think Phat. I really believe you could do that.
Phat writes:

Same with jars' observation that had the US helped the world (they)would have been better off. Never mind that many of "them" use our own weapons against us.

Would they use our weapons against us if instead of giving them weapons we had fed, clothed, comforted, healed, sheltered and loved them?


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AZPaul3
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Message 359 of 414 (889486)
11-29-2021 3:28 PM
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11-29-2021 10:36 AM


Re: Darker Future For USA
I suppose you imagine that atheists would never do such a thing!

I imagine no such stupidity. I may have fallen off the melon truck but it wasn't yesterday ... or something.

The difference, Phat, is that atheism is not claiming some superior morality to be foisted upon the people by threat. Christian most certainly does.

Hypocrisy is the crime here Phat. Not organized syndicated theft.


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Message 360 of 414 (889492)
11-30-2021 8:29 AM
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11-29-2021 11:51 AM


Re: s against us.Re: Darker Future For USA
What you guys fail to understand is that many of these so-named victims would never know what to do with a stimulus check or a reparations tax break if it were handed to them. The reeducation must happen first. The reparations and lavish tax breaks will only be effective after that. Same with jars' observation that had the US helped the world (they)would have been better off. Never mind that many of "them" use our own weapons against us.

One quick question Phat, has your opinion of Trump gone up at all in the past 6 months or so?


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